WHY THE HOLIDAYS ACT REVIEW HAS FAILED EVEN BEFORE IT’S RELEASED!

WHY THE HOLIDAYS ACT REVIEW HAS FAILED EVEN BEFORE IT’S RELEASED!

We are still waiting on the Minister to release the Holidays Act Review Report, which after several delays was provided to him in early October 2019. 

NZPPA and a small group of payroll providers were involved in a meeting before the report was forwarded to the Minister. At that meeting we heard what the review group was planning to report to the Minister (subject to change).

The potential changes are embargoed and NZPPA won’t release them as what we saw at the meeting and what the Minister finally releases may be different. I will, however, state this now: I doubt there will be any difference from what was stated at the meeting on the 12 September. It was only lip service that payroll providers and NZPPA were allowed to see the potential recommendations and were asked for feedback two weeks out from when the report was to go to the Minister. 

NZPPA gave feedback and you will see part of our response below (without reference to what the proposed changes to the Holidays Act could be). On talking to the other payroll providers present at that meeting who also provided feedback to the review group, none has received any follow up on what they put forward. This just adds weight to our view that this attempt to get payroll involved at the very last minute of a review conducted over a year was just lip service.

I have included NZPPA’s feedback to the 12 September meeting, but have stopped short on detailing the actual changes that were presented. Once the report is released, NZPPA will then publish in full our feedback and will also critically review and post about the report’s flawed solutions to the issues with the Holidays Act.

NZPPA response to Holidays Act Review Recommendations

Dear Review Group

Here is the feedback back from the New Zealand Payroll Practitioners Association (NZPPA) on the proposed recommendations to the Holidays Act 2003.

Far too little too late.

It has been very disappointing to see that payroll finally gets to be involved only two weeks out from the review report’s presentation to the Minister.

The meeting held on the 12 September 2019 for just over two hours can only be seen as lip service, so the review group can tick a box to say they have had payroll’s involvement.

The presentation stated the review was based on three principles: certainty, transparency and practicality. However, when questions were asked from the group, none of the three principles could be seen in the recommendations made or answers provided (if they could be answered), so that can only be seen as an overall fail for the review’s outcomes 

NZPPA has raised this issue before, but the inclusion of a payroll provider in the review group is totally unsatisfactory at any level. If this representative was involved and confirmed these options could be workable in payroll, it clearly shows they are not technically skilled or don’t have the required payroll knowledge to make any workable changes going forward in an end-to-end payroll system.  

The recommendations put forward by the review group will be seen as coming from people that know payroll with payroll involved in providing workable recommendations. However, from what was presented it doesn’t look as though they are workable in any shape or form and this will taint any select committee process as the testing and review will be seen as being a comprehensive response to any bill based on its recommendations. It was more important to get payroll involved in the review fully early on so recommendations made were sound and would actually work in resolving the issues we currently have with the Holidays Act. The review group and the process followed has now lost that opportunity and its recommendations will add to a further failure of the Holidays Act going forward.

The tester used for the recommendations put forward is clearly not from a payroll system perspective and, as it was stated, is some sort of outsourced provider. With the glaring holes in the lack of detail not provided in the presentation, the quality of this testing and what has been actually tested could not be determined and shows the incompetence of the review group in understanding how calculations would actually need to be designed and configured in a payroll system while also considering end-to-end payroll processing. 

The focus on systemising calculations has been warped by the lack of understanding apparent within the review group and the tester used. It is essential that any calculations should be simple enough that a payroll practitioner, or even a small business owner or employee is able with a pen and paper, calculator or an Excel spreadsheet to calculate or recreate leave taken for an employee. This is what has been clearly missing from the current Holidays Act and fits with the principles that the review group is aiming to achieve. However, from what has been put forward in the presentation, the group has totally failed to achieve this. 

What was presented as part of the recommendations, even though incomplete, is in some ways even more complex than what is currently done to calculate an employee’s leave. Without the help of a supercomputer, these calculations could not easily be done if at all by pen and paper. 

If this were to be implemented, there would be a further feeding frenzy from MBIE labour inspectors taking employers to task for incorrectly calculating leave because employers and payroll would still not be able to show they have met the requirements of the Act, or the judgement calls being made could be interpreted differently by other parties (such as employees, unions, legal representatives and the labour inspectorate). The review group still does not seem to understand (using their principles) that for an effective calculation to be workable it must be: 

  • Transparent – you can see how it is calculated, what’s been included or not, over what period of time and what measure of time is being used (hours, days or weeks).
  • Practical – can easily be calculated using a pen and paper, Excel (or similar) and can be done at any time for any period of assessment (up to 6 years) and doesn’t mean a drawn-out process that takes time, resources and money to complete.
  • Certain – a range of people, systems and external parties can all get to the same outcome when the calculation is applied because the calculation is defined, along with all the inputs that need to be included. We must move away from MBIE’s view that if an outcome cannot be confirmed by parties then the higher of should be used. This clearly slows the calculation is fundamentally flawed.

Along with the above, any calculation – even multiple calculations – should only be able to be done one way, without variation. From statements made in the presentation it seems as though there are still too many judgement calls on how these calculations can be applied, hence the difference in outcomes.

Please note: the actual feedback on the changes proposed have been removed and until released by the Minister NZPPA will not be discussing them at this point.

As stated, the inclusion of payroll providers along with NZPPA at the last minute was for the purpose of ticking a box and is seen as just lip service. There had been a lot of hope from the payroll industry that our needs would finally be heard as part of this review so the Holidays Act could be made workable, but the review group failed to involve payroll at any meaningful way and NZPPA now considers this review to have failed in what it was established to achieve.

When the report is finally released NZPPA will be clearly stating that the report was not based on what payroll needs to make the Holidays Act workable because payroll was not allowed to be involved in or consulted with on the recommendations made. The only way to make the Holidays Act workable is to start with a greenfields approach with the outcome focused on fixing the present issues (covering the 6 years of liability) and making the act workable going forward) while fully interacting with payroll on how those changes could be achieved in a payroll system and ensuing it did meet the principles of certainty, transparency and practicality. 

In conclusion we can all hope for a Christmas miracle or a New Year’s resolution that the review will fix the Holidays Act BUT as stated above - Far too little too late.

NZPPA supporting NZ Payroll since 2007!


Karen TeWano

Payroll Specialist

5 年

Once again here is a perfect example of not involving the users / Payroll. How hard would it be to simplify the act for end users.

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David Jenkins

CEO at New Zealand Payroll Practitioners Association (NZPPA)

5 年

Totally agree.? Another area I still cannot understand is the tester used by the review group was sourced through the GETS government procurement process and was stated as meeting the requirements to do this type of testing. When I researched who they were as I had never heard of them before I found on their website in a sub menu there was the word “Payroll” stated as one of the services they provided. There was no other mention of their expertise in payroll, projects they had been involved in etc on any part of their website. This tester and their results will now be used to justify the recommendations made by the Holidays Act review group. We asked for the methodology,? what was tested, data and actual results of this testing but it has never been provided. As they could not answer any of the questions that were put forward, I do not consider any form of valid testing has been undertaken to the standard payroll would require to justify any of the changes recommended to the Holidays Act.??

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Ethelred Chey

Employment Law Specialist

5 年

I thought it was really odd to appoint an academic (law school professor) to chair such a taskforce. Given there has already been so many past reviews of the Holidays Act, perhaps a more innovative approach should have been taken. One that firmly focuses on the input/system/payroll/accounting, before the usual partisan ‘tripartite’ thinking is allowed to narrow down the recommendations.?

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