Why Can't Sales & Marketing Get in Sync and Soar... Together?
Carolyn Permentier
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Soo, on with the schew...
Because I've been around the block a few times, I've seen the oft-lamented chasm between sales departments and marketing departments several times. First-hand.
Common sense would beg the question...
"If sales and marketing are both working to grow the same company, then why is there such strife between the two departments?"
I worked with a company a few years ago, with numerous profit centers, where this was a BIG issue.
The sales department in one of the profit centers felt like marketing wasn't listening to them when they complained about the low quality leads they continued to get from marketing.
This disconnect had been going on for some time, I learned.
Slowly, at first, the sales people started opening up to me, until they decided they could trust me.
And then the floodgates opened!
They seemed stunned that there was, finally, someone in marketing who actually listened — and heard them.
Not only that, I became their champion.
I found out what the specific issues were, what they'd tried to convey, what had/hadn't been tried by marketing — and the outcomes.
Then I started digging around, asking questions, and it didn't take long before I started to piece together some of the problems.
First Problem:
The marketing folks only had a hammer, so everything had to look like a nail.
They were only using one marketing channel (paid FB).
No really... only that one!
Because it was working with all the other profit centers, they assumed it'd work for this one the same way.
No it wouldn't. And it didn't. Yet they kept trying.
They were trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
And the two departments were not even in agreement on what, exactly, constitutes a lead! (Eye-roll.)
The other profit centers offered pretty affordable products for consumer audiences.
But this one didn't remotely resemble the others. It was a VERY expensive business opportunity which, of course, had to be marketed to a B2B audience. (Duh.)
My Suggestions:
Wearing my most diplomatic hat, I asked if I could take a look at the ads with an eye toward how we might write/produce ads that clarify it's a business opportunity that involved...
Rationale:
Action:
You'd think these two departments in Corporate America would have figured out how to operate like a well-oiled machine by now, right?
Wrong.
In a Harvard Business Review article in 2006, the authors interviewed pairs of chief marketing officers and sales VPs to get their perspectives.
It's a pretty interesting read... and at the end, the authors provide four types of relationships that sales and marketing typically exhibit.
See if you can identify your company's sales/marketing relationship here...
Undefined
When the relationship is undefined, sales and marketing have grown independently. And each is preoccupied largely with its own tasks and agendas.
Each group doesn’t know much about what the other is up to — until a conflict arises.
Meetings between the two, which are ad hoc, are likely to be devoted to conflict resolution rather than proactive cooperation.
Defined.
In a defined relationship, the two groups set up processes—and rules—to prevent disputes. There’s a “good fences make good neighbors” orientation.
The marketers and salespeople know who is supposed to do what, and they stick to their own tasks for the most part.
The groups start to build a common language in potentially contentious areas, such as “How do we define a lead?” (Just a warm body, or qualified as determined by sales.)
Meetings become more reflective and people raise questions like, “What do we expect of one another?”
The groups work together on large events like customer conferences and trade shows.
Aligned
When sales and marketing are aligned, clear boundaries between the two exist... but they’re flexible.
The groups engage in joint planning and training. The sales group understands and uses marketing terminology such as “value proposition” and “brand image.”
Marketers confer with salespeople on important accounts. They play a role in transactional or commodity sales as well.
Integrated
When sales and marketing are fully integrated, boundaries become blurred. Both groups redesign the relationship to share structures, systems, and rewards.
Marketing, and sales to a lesser degree, begins to focus on strategic, forward-thinking types of tasks (market sensing, for instance) and sometimes splits into upstream and downstream groups.
Marketers are deeply embedded in the management of key accounts.
The two groups develop and implement shared metrics.
Budgeting becomes more flexible and less contentious. A “rise or fall together” culture develops.
Sounds good, doesn't it?
Buut... fast forward to 2024, and we see the same mis-alignment in HubSpot's '2024 State of Marketing' report.
In Conclusion...
While Nirvana may be unattainable for these two, I still have hope that more collaborative and effective relationships can be forged — if there's the will to do so at the top.
With both departments working for the same goal of making more sales and contributing to the company's bottom line...
They NEED to 'Get in Sync & Soar in 2024!'
What do you think?
What will it take for these two titans, holding up the corporate structure, to stop the rivalry and get on the same team??
Ball's in your court... your serve.
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Till next time...
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10 个月Awesome work! Congrats for your bright understanding!
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10 个月Great article. Must reading for teams in conflict especially. I too frequently hear sales people complaining because there is an expectation that every lead should be high quality, and that's not possible at the top of the funnel. I've also been the complaining sales person before learning more about marketing. There's also the "us and them" mentality that permeates teams that don't really know what the "other side" does, as you clearly point out in the lack of collaboration. And it's likely that the biggest culprit too often is the lack of super clear company product positioning from the top down (starting with the value proposition) and too many moving departments not on the same page. Oh how would it be to work with and for a company that is on the same page across the board. Thanks for your article!
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10 个月Sales and marketing can't get in sync, could it be simply a case of reframing it!? Leadership needs to understand that ALL departments need to align. Sales, marketing, customer services, EVERYTHING. It's a culture shift that is needed IMO.
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10 个月Brilliant! Absolutely Brilliant! Carolyn Permentier And the disconnect you talk about is even present within marketing itself. SEOs, PPCs, Social media managers etc. all tend to work in a vacuum, serving isolated functions. They are often task-driven without any ability to zoom out and see how the work fits (or should fit) into the overall brand building picture. If one "department" can fail to align, what hope is there for two?! Anyways, keep up the good work as always ??