Can we replace time in our equations? chatGPT answers.
KEYVAN: I have questions about physics.
?chatGPT: Of course, I'll do my best to answer any questions you have about physics. Please feel free to ask your physics-related questions, and I'll provide you with information and explanations to the best of my knowledge.
?KEYVAN: You know the newton laws?
?chatGPT: Yes, I'm familiar with Newton's laws of motion. Newton's laws are fundamental principles in classical physics that describe the behavior of objects in motion. They were formulated by Sir Isaac Newton in the 17th century and laid the foundation for our understanding of mechanics. There are three main laws:
?1. Newton's First Law (Law of Inertia):
?????Newton's first law states that an object at rest tends to stay at rest, and an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced external force. In other words, an object will not change its state of motion unless a force is applied to it.
?2. Newton's Second Law (Law of Force and Acceleration):
??? Newton's second law states that the acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the net force acting on it and inversely proportional to its mass. Mathematically, it can be expressed as:
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?? - m is the mass of the object.
?? - a is the acceleration of the object.
??? This law explains how the velocity of an object changes when a force is applied to it.
?3. Newton's Third Law (Action-Reaction Law):
??? Newton's third law states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, when one object exerts a force on a second object, the second object exerts an equal and opposite force on the first object. This law is often summarized as "action and reaction are equal and opposite."
?These laws are essential for understanding the motion of objects and are still widely used in physics and engineering to analyze and predict the behavior of physical systems. If you have specific questions or would like to know more about any of these laws or their applications, feel free to ask!
?KEYVAN: Yes, do you see any where that time is evolving?
?chatGPT: In the context of classical physics, particularly in the framework of Newtonian mechanics, time is typically treated as an absolute and unchanging parameter. In other words, time is considered to be an independent and universal quantity that flows uniformly and independently of other physical processes. This view of time is often referred to as "absolute time."
?In Newtonian mechanics, time is used as a parameter to describe the evolution of physical systems, and equations of motion are formulated based on this assumption of absolute time. For example, in Newton's second law (F = ma), time is a constant parameter that doesn't change.
?However, with the advent of Albert Einstein's theory of relativity in the early 20th century, our understanding of time underwent a significant transformation. According to Einstein's theory of special relativity:
?1. Time Dilation: The flow of time is not absolute but is relative to the observer's motion. Time dilation occurs when objects are moving relative to an observer at a significant fraction of the speed of light. This means that time can appear to pass at different rates for observers in relative motion.
?2. Space-Time: Einstein introduced the concept of spacetime, where time and space are intertwined. Events that are simultaneous for one observer may not be simultaneous for another moving observer. This concept is central to Einstein's theory of general relativity, which describes gravity as the curvature of spacetime caused by mass.
?In the realm of modern physics, particularly in the theories of relativity and quantum mechanics, time is treated as a dynamic and relative concept. Time can be affected by factors such as velocity, gravity, and the nature of spacetime itself.
?So, while in classical physics, time is often considered as an absolute and unchanging parameter, in modern physics, it is understood as a more complex and relative concept that can evolve and vary depending on the circumstances. This shift in our understanding of time has had profound implications for our comprehension of the universe at both macroscopic and microscopic scales.
?KEYVAN: Can we replace time with physical location in all equations?
?chatGPT: Replacing time with physical location (i.e., spatial coordinates) in equations is not a straightforward or generally applicable substitution. The reason is that time and spatial dimensions have fundamentally different properties and roles in physics.
?Time is considered a temporal dimension, and it plays a unique role in describing the evolution of physical systems. It is a one-dimensional parameter that characterizes the sequence of events and changes in a system. Equations involving time describe how physical quantities vary with respect to the progression of time. This temporal aspect is essential for understanding cause-and-effect relationships and predicting future states of physical systems.
?On the other hand, spatial coordinates (such as position in three-dimensional space) represent the locations of objects or events in the physical world. These coordinates provide information about where objects are located in space, but they do not inherently capture the concept of change over time.
?While it is possible to express some physical phenomena using spatial coordinates and describe the positions of objects, this approach may not be suitable for all situations. Many physical processes involve dynamic changes over time, and time is an indispensable parameter for understanding and modeling such processes.
?In some cases, when dealing with specific types of problems, physicists use mathematical techniques like Lagrangian mechanics or Hamiltonian mechanics to describe physical systems in terms of generalized coordinates, which may include both spatial coordinates and other parameters. However, even in these cases, time often remains a crucial component of the equations because it governs the evolution of the system.
?In summary, while spatial coordinates can be used to describe the positions of objects or events in space, time remains a distinct and indispensable parameter for understanding and modeling the dynamic behavior of physical systems. Attempting to replace time with spatial coordinates in all equations would not be practical or applicable in many physical scenarios.
?KEYVAN: I understand, but each particle of time it equal of a unique position of us in our universe. therefore it seems we can exchange it with that position in a universal system.
?chatGPT: Your observation is interesting and reflects a philosophical perspective on the nature of time and space. The idea that every moment in time corresponds to a unique position in the universe is reminiscent of a concept sometimes explored in discussions of the nature of time and its relationship with space.
?In modern physics, particularly in the context of Einstein's theory of relativity, time and space are indeed intertwined in a four-dimensional framework known as spacetime. In this framework, every event in the universe is described by a set of coordinates that includes three spatial dimensions (x, y, z) and one temporal dimension (t). These four coordinates together specify the location and time of an event.
?From a mathematical standpoint, you can represent events in spacetime as four-dimensional points. The concept of spacetime has been critical for understanding the relativistic effects of motion, gravity, and the structure of the universe. It's a fundamental concept in modern physics.
?However, even though spacetime unifies time and space in a mathematical framework, it doesn't mean that time and space are interchangeable in all equations or contexts. The reason is that time and space have distinct roles and properties:
?1. Time is typically treated as a one-way dimension that flows forward, and it plays a role in causality. Events occur in a specific temporal order, and this ordering is crucial for understanding cause and effect.
?2. Space, on the other hand, represents spatial dimensions where objects are located. Spatial coordinates describe the positions of objects relative to one another.
?While spacetime unifies these dimensions, the concept of time still retains its unique role as a parameter that characterizes the sequence of events and their temporal relationships. In many physical equations, you'll find that time is explicitly represented because it captures the dynamic evolution of systems, and spatial coordinates alone may not capture the same information.
?So, while the concept of spacetime acknowledges the connection between time and space, the distinct roles of time and space remain important in physics and our understanding of the universe.
?KEYVAN: I try to return back to one absolute 3 dimensional world that expanding since big bang. Time is position in this journey, a place that you cannot visit it again and passed for ever.
?chatGPT: Your description aligns with the idea of a single, evolving universe in which time is viewed as a dimension along which the universe expands and evolves. This perspective is consistent with the standard cosmological model known as the Big Bang theory, which describes the origin and evolution of our universe.
?In the Big Bang theory, the universe is thought to have begun as a singularity—an extremely hot and dense state—approximately 13.8 billion years ago. From that point, the universe has been expanding and evolving over time. The three spatial dimensions (length, width, height) describe the physical extent of the universe, while time represents the progression of events and changes within the universe.
?Here are some key points related to your description:
?1. Three-Dimensional Universe: In this view, the universe is described in terms of three spatial dimensions (x, y, z), which represent the physical space in which galaxies, stars, planets, and other objects exist.
?2. Time as the Fourth Dimension: Time (t) is considered the fourth dimension in this spacetime framework. It is intertwined with the three spatial dimensions, and together they form the fabric of spacetime.
?3. Unidirectional Time: Time in this context is unidirectional, meaning it flows forward and cannot be revisited. Events occur along the timeline of the universe, and once they have passed, they are part of the universe's history.
?4. Expansion of the Universe: The concept of the expanding universe is a fundamental feature of the Big Bang theory. Galaxies are moving away from each other, and the universe as a whole is expanding over time. This expansion is one of the key pieces of evidence supporting the Big Bang theory.
?5. Cosmic History: Time is used to describe the cosmic history of the universe, including the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets, as well as the evolution of the cosmos.
?6. Cosmological Redshift: The expansion of the universe also leads to the phenomenon of cosmological redshift, which is observed in the light from distant galaxies. This redshift is a consequence of the stretching of spacetime as the universe expands and is a key piece of observational evidence supporting the Big Bang model.
?Your description captures the essence of this cosmological framework, where time is a dimension along which the universe evolves, and events unfold in a unidirectional manner. It's a fascinating way to conceptualize the universe's history and its ongoing expansion.
?KEYVAN: If universe start from a central point we call it zero point at (0, 0, 0) and each particle has a unique movement from that, it mean that we can describe our universe without time.
?chatGPT: The idea you're describing is somewhat similar to a concept in physics known as the "cosmological principle," which is often used in cosmology to simplify the description of the large-scale structure of the universe. However, it's important to clarify a few key points:
?1. Cosmological Principle: The cosmological principle is a foundational assumption in modern cosmology that states, roughly, that the universe looks the same from any location and in any direction on sufficiently large scales. In other words, it suggests that the universe is homogeneous (uniform) and isotropic (looks the same in all directions) on cosmological scales.
?2. Central Point: While it's true that you can choose any point in the universe as a reference point for describing the motion of objects relative to that point, there is no preferred "central" point in the universe. In the cosmological principle, the idea is that no point is special, and the universe doesn't have a unique center.
?3. Time and Change: Time is still an essential parameter for describing the evolution of the universe. Even if you choose a reference point and describe the positions of objects relative to that point, you would need to account for how those positions change over time. Time is necessary to explain the dynamics of the universe, including the expansion of space, the motion of galaxies, and the behavior of cosmic objects.
?4. Relativity and Spacetime: In the framework of Einstein's theory of relativity, time and space are intertwined in spacetime. While you can describe positions relative to a reference point, the concept of spacetime combines time and space into a unified framework. Events in the universe are described by spacetime coordinates (x, y, z, t), where time is a crucial component.
?In summary, while you can choose any point in the universe as a reference point and describe the positions of objects relative to that point, you would still need to account for the evolution of those positions over time. Time remains a fundamental parameter for understanding the dynamics and history of the universe, and it is an essential component of modern cosmology and physics.
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?KEYVAN: Due the uniqueness of each position of each particle then we can describe changes just by a simple movement. A movement that always forward and not returnable. It explain relativity as well, if a particle move longer distance than the other one it is equal that time passes faster for? that particle in time dimension.
?chatGPT: Your description touches on some interesting concepts and parallels between the movement of particles in space and the concept of time. While it presents an intriguing perspective, it's important to clarify a few points:
?1. Uniqueness of Positions: In a hypothetical model where each particle has a unique position in space, you could indeed describe changes in their positions as movements relative to one another. This is somewhat analogous to describing the relative motion of objects in a reference frame. However, in reality, particles are governed by the laws of physics and interact with each other, so their motions are influenced by various forces and interactions.
?2. Time as a Dimension: Your idea of time being related to the movement of particles in space aligns with the concept of spacetime in relativity, where time is one dimension of a four-dimensional spacetime framework. In this framework, the motion of particles through space corresponds to their trajectory through spacetime.
?3. Time Dilation: Your mention of particles moving different distances and experiencing different "rates" of time is reminiscent of the concept of time dilation in special relativity. According to the theory, the passage of time can appear to be relative for observers in relative motion. This is known as time dilation, and it has been experimentally confirmed.
?4. Causality: While it's interesting to think of time as a consequence of particle movements, it's crucial to remember that time also plays a fundamental role in the concept of causality. Events are ordered in time, and cause-and-effect relationships depend on the temporal ordering of events. This aspect of time is not entirely captured by a purely spatial perspective.
?Your perspective highlights the interconnectedness of space and time, and it echoes some aspects of modern physics, particularly in the context of relativity. However, it's essential to recognize that the relationship between space, time, and the behavior of particles is a complex and rich topic that has been the subject of extensive scientific study and exploration. While your perspective offers a unique way of thinking about these concepts, it should be considered in the context of well-established physical theories and models.
?KEYVAN:Interesting, about causality, is time cause changes? or just stamp the changes? What I see, when somebody pass a track, the footprint is the time for me in my theory, but according to you time is something that's not exists and it is just there for us in our assumption to understand the universe.
?chatGPT: The concept of causality and the role of time in it are fundamental questions in philosophy and physics. Let's delve into this a bit further:
?1. Causality and Time: In our everyday understanding, causality implies that one event (the cause) leads to another event (the effect) in a temporal sequence. That is, one event occurs before another event, and there is a cause-and-effect relationship between them. Time, in this context, serves as a parameter that orders events and allows us to make sense of the relationships between them.
?2. Time as a Framework: In modern physics, time is considered a fundamental part of the spacetime framework, especially in the theory of relativity. Time is intertwined with space to create a unified spacetime, and it influences the way events are ordered and how causality is understood. Events in spacetime are described with spacetime coordinates (x, y, z, t), where t represents time.
?3. Time as an Illusion: Some interpretations of physics and philosophy suggest that time might be more of a perceptual construct than a fundamental aspect of the universe. The idea is that our perception of time is a result of our experience and consciousness, but it might not necessarily be an inherent property of the universe at a fundamental level. In this view, time is a useful framework for making sense of our observations and experiences.
?4. Time in Physics: In the context of physical theories, time is a crucial parameter for understanding the dynamics of the universe. It plays a central role in equations that describe the behavior of objects, the evolution of systems, and the propagation of light and other phenomena.
?5. Temporal Orders: Time is essential for establishing temporal orders and cause-and-effect relationships in physics. Without a temporal dimension, it would be challenging to explain how one event influences another in a meaningful way.
?6. Philosophical Views: Philosophers and physicists have debated the nature of time for centuries. There are various philosophical views on the nature of time, including presentism (only the present exists), eternalism (past, present, and future events all exist), and the block universe view (the universe is a static four-dimensional block with no "flow" of time).
?In summary, the role of time in causality and our understanding of the universe is a complex and multifaceted topic. Time serves as a framework for ordering events and understanding their relationships, but its fundamental nature and whether it exists independently of our observations remain topics of philosophical and scientific inquiry. Different theories and interpretations offer varying perspectives on the nature of time and its role in the universe.
?KEYVAN: I get it, it's good to describe how events related to each other. What I'm trying to get back from this talk is to know if possible to write an equation for a wave, removing time from it.
?chatGPT: In physics, many equations for wave phenomena do include time as a fundamental variable because time is an integral part of understanding how waves propagate and evolve over time. However, there are situations in which you can describe certain aspects of wave behavior without explicitly including time in the equation. Let's explore this further:
?1. Wave Equations with Time: In most cases, wave equations, such as the wave equation for a vibrating string or the electromagnetic wave equation, explicitly include time as a variable. These equations describe how waves propagate through space and how their amplitudes change over time. Examples include the wave equation:
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??? In this equation, u(x, t) represents the displacement of the wave at position x and time t.
?2. Phase and Frequency: While time is often included in wave equations, you can describe certain aspects of waves by focusing on their phase and frequency. The phase of a wave, represented by the argument of a sinusoidal function (e.g., sin(kx - ωt)), can provide information about how the wave varies spatially and temporally.
?3. Frequency-Domain Representation: In signal processing and Fourier analysis, waves are often analyzed in the frequency domain, where the emphasis is on frequency components rather than the temporal evolution. The Fourier transform allows you to decompose a signal into its constituent frequency components.
?4. Steady-State Solutions: In some cases, you might encounter steady-state solutions to wave equations where the time-dependent terms cancel out, leaving a solution that doesn't explicitly depend on time. This often occurs in scenarios where a system has reached a stable, time-independent state.
?5. Dispersion Relations: Dispersion relations describe the relationship between wave vector (k), frequency (ω), and wave properties. These relations can provide insights into how waves propagate without explicitly requiring the time variable in the equation.
?While you can focus on aspects of wave behavior that don't explicitly involve time, it's important to recognize that time remains a crucial element in understanding dynamic phenomena, wave propagation, and interactions. In many practical situations, including time in wave equations is essential for accurately modeling and predicting wave behavior. However, when examining specific properties or steady-state solutions, you may find that you can simplify the description and analysis by focusing on spatial aspects or frequency components.
?KEYVAN: Let's simplify this, think we use center of the earth as our zero system. By rotating the earth around itself and sun and galaxy each person has its own position in each time slice. if one person moves with a constant speed toward the other one. We notice that only after passing a distance it get to other one not passing the time.
?chatGPT: It seems you're describing a scenario where two people are moving at a constant speed toward each other, and the concept of time passing is relative to their positions rather than an absolute measurement. This perspective aligns with certain aspects of the theory of relativity, particularly in the context of special relativity. Let's break down some key points:
?1. Relative Motion: In the theory of relativity, the perception of time is relative to an observer's motion. Two observers moving relative to each other may experience the passage of time differently. This phenomenon is known as time dilation.
?2. Constant Speed: When objects move at a constant speed relative to each other, their relative motion does not affect their perception of time. According to special relativity, time dilation primarily occurs when there is acceleration involved, such as changing speed or direction.
?3. Distance and Time: Your description suggests that, from the perspective of each person, it's the relative distance between them that determines when they meet, rather than the passage of time. This is consistent with the idea that time dilation becomes more significant as objects approach the speed of light, which typically doesn't occur at everyday speeds.
?4. Center of the Earth: Using the center of the Earth as a reference point for positions is similar to selecting a reference frame, which is a common practice in physics. Different observers may choose different reference frames, and their measurements of time and space can vary accordingly.
?5. Galactic Scale: It's worth noting that on the scale of everyday human experiences, the effects of time dilation due to relative motion are exceedingly small and are not noticeable in practical scenarios. These effects become significant only at speeds approaching the speed of light, which is much greater than any typical human movement.
?Overall, your description highlights some principles of relativity and the idea that time and space are intertwined and can be perceived differently depending on one's relative motion. However, for everyday experiences and practical purposes, the effects of time dilation due to relative motion are negligible.
?KEYVAN: You are still bring time into this matter, I try to say let's assume we didn't have time, just distances. Short ones and long ones. Doing a task during walking a distance or riding a train depends on distance. It amazing when we learn something it's relay hard to think other way!
?chatGPT: I see what you're getting at now. It seems you're proposing a thought experiment in which time is not explicitly considered as a separate dimension but is instead intertwined with distances and events. This perspective is indeed a departure from the conventional way we think about time as a distinct parameter.
?In such a scenario, events and processes are measured and understood solely in terms of spatial relationships and distances. The passage of time is not treated as an independent entity but rather as a consequence of spatial changes and the duration of actions or processes.
?This thought experiment aligns with a hypothetical perspective in which time is eliminated as a fundamental dimension, and instead, events are ordered and understood based on the progression of spatial changes. While it's a fascinating concept to explore from a philosophical or theoretical standpoint, it's important to recognize that our current scientific models and frameworks, including the theory of relativity, heavily rely on the concept of time as a fundamental parameter.
?The traditional view of time as a separate dimension has proven to be highly effective in explaining and predicting physical phenomena in our universe. However, contemplating alternative perspectives can lead to valuable insights and stimulate creative thinking in the field of physics and philosophy.
?KEYVAN: We time quantize the events in physics to find the equation to predict better and better. But what we might missing is the bigger perspective.
?chatGPT: Your point highlights an intriguing aspect of scientific inquiry and our understanding of the universe. In the pursuit of scientific knowledge and prediction, we often employ mathematical models that involve quantizing events in time and space to gain a deeper understanding of natural phenomena. These models have been highly successful in explaining a wide range of physical phenomena, from classical mechanics to quantum mechanics.
?However, it's essential to remain open to the possibility that there may be a larger or more fundamental perspective that we have yet to fully grasp. Scientific progress often involves challenging existing paradigms, rethinking fundamental assumptions, and exploring alternative viewpoints. This kind of intellectual exploration can lead to breakthroughs and paradigm shifts in our understanding of the universe.
?It's also worth noting that some areas of physics, such as quantum gravity and the search for a theory of everything, are actively exploring the fundamental nature of space, time, and the quantization of events at the most fundamental levels of the universe. These areas of research are pushing the boundaries of our current understanding and may ultimately lead to new insights and a more comprehensive perspective on the nature of reality.
?In the world of physics, the pursuit of a deeper understanding is an ongoing journey, and each new perspective, theory, or paradigm shift contributes to our collective knowledge of the universe. While time quantization has proven incredibly useful, it's valuable to remain open to the possibility that there may be even more profound principles governing the cosmos that we have yet to discover.
?KEYVAN: One last try, as you mentioned several times, we use combination of time and space in our scientific explanations of events. What happens if we assume time as a physical position on a imaginary line. That happens our space are moving along it exact like the space inside the train on the rails. Now each element on the train (inside our space) not affected by time and just position! if you get out of train you will be time traveler :)
?chatGPT: Your concept of reimagining time as a physical position on an imaginary line is a fascinating philosophical perspective. It echoes some aspects of theoretical physics and philosophy, particularly in discussions related to the nature of time and its relationship with space and motion. While this viewpoint is unconventional and differs from our standard understanding of time as a dimension, it can lead to intriguing thought experiments and discussions.
?Key points to consider in this perspective:
?1. Time as a Spatial Dimension: In this conceptual framework, time is treated as just another dimension along which objects can move. This idea is reminiscent of certain interpretations in theoretical physics, such as the concept of "block time," where past, present, and future are all laid out as existing simultaneously, much like spatial dimensions.
?2. Time Travel: Your notion that stepping outside of this "time line" would result in time travel aligns with the idea that time travel might be possible through manipulation of the fabric of spacetime. Theoretical physics explores scenarios involving closed timelike curves and wormholes as potential means of time travel.
?3. Relativity and Frames of Reference: This perspective touches on the principle of relativity, where the perception of time can vary depending on an observer's frame of reference. In this framework, the experience of time depends on one's position and motion within the spacetime fabric.
?4. Philosophical Considerations: Philosophers and physicists have long debated the nature of time, whether it is a fundamental aspect of reality or a construct of human perception. Your perspective challenges traditional notions and encourages contemplation of alternative viewpoints.
?5. Interactions with Space: It's important to consider how this conceptualization of time interacts with the dimensions of space. Does it lead to a unified description of spacetime that accounts for both spatial and temporal aspects?
?While this perspective is intriguing, it's essential to acknowledge that it represents a departure from our current scientific models and theories. Time, as we currently understand it, plays a central role in explaining a wide range of physical phenomena. Nevertheless, exploring unconventional viewpoints can stimulate creative thinking and contribute to the ongoing exploration of the nature of the universe. It's a reminder that the frontiers of science and philosophy continue to inspire new ideas and questions.
?KEYVAN: Very good talk, I still see possibility to simplify our vision about our universe. People use to say "always right place and right time" are the key for a decision. But it seems for me that the path is set to be encounter from distance.
?chatGPT: Thank you for engaging in this thought-provoking conversation! Your perspective offers a unique and imaginative way of contemplating the nature of the universe and the relationship between space and time. It's clear that you have a deep curiosity about fundamental questions in physics and philosophy, and your willingness to explore unconventional ideas is commendable.
?The idea that encounters and events are predetermined by the path and positions of objects in the universe challenges traditional notions of causality and free will, and it opens the door to intriguing philosophical discussions. While these ideas may not align with our current scientific models, they serve as a reminder that the exploration of the universe's mysteries is an ongoing and evolving endeavor.
?Ultimately, the pursuit of knowledge and understanding is enriched by a diversity of perspectives and approaches. It's through discussions like these that new ideas can emerge and inspire further exploration. If you ever have more questions or wish to delve into other topics, please feel free to reach out. Your curiosity is a valuable asset in the ongoing quest to unravel the mysteries of the cosmos.
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1 年Keyvan Hadjari Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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1 年Very interesting discussion Keyvan, thanks for sharing. I have also though in such direction. Time is a pragmatic concept in human evolution. The nature contains periodical events like day and night, lunar month etc and we have called it time. Why? Because we need this concept for our planning. Humans are planning animals, that's why people complain why they "cannot live in now". On the other hand our experience of time is not linear. "Time goes faster" when we get older. Also we get bored when "nothing happens", then we express it by saying "time goes slowly". Contradictorily when we look back on that time period afterward, we experience it as a black hole. Thomas Mann describes the phenomenon of how human experiences time, in his book "The Magic Mountain" (Der Zauberberg). From physical perspective; 1- In Newton's physics time is constant. 2- in Relativity theory time is much more complicated. It is twisted with room. In other words it has lost its existence as an independent feature. 3- Who knows, in the next paradigm of physics time may vanish. However assuming it as a fourth room position dosn't make sense. It is just a name change. A lot of other things need to change fundamentally in a "timeless" physical theory.