Wait, What's A "Family Man?"

Wait, What's A "Family Man?"

I have paid approximately 14 seconds of attention to whatever current Trump legal thing is going on, but I did see this column recently about Trump and the idea of “a family man.”

Basically, the op-ed there is discussing how Trump and his lawyers frame him as a “family man,” even though he was sleeping with porn stars while Melania was pregnant with Barron. Cool. I myself wouldn’t call that “a family man,” but I understand why his lawyers are trying to do that. I don’t receive Trump campaign emails (although weirdly I have gotten a few), but there’s apparently a series of emails now where he tells his supporters that the court system is forcing him to miss Barron’s HS graduation. He’s so upset about it, because, you see, he’s a family man. But when the judge let him off for that day, he decided to not only attend the graduation — but also go to Minnesota for a fundraiser. Ha. Family man.

The whole concept is really powerful for many reasons, not the least of which is that it’s probably the №1 thing you see on male headstones. Men I think are very concerned with notions of “legacy,” which then has downstream (20s and 30s) implications around “virility.” My sperm sucks so I think about this kind of shit periodically. I used to think about it essentially all the time, but eventually I had to free myself from that self-induced prison.

Now, anytime you talk about something like “a family man,” there are so many different aspects of that, and so many implications around it, it’s very hard to cover or condense in a quick Substack post. I will do my best.

Do I know people who claim to be “family men” and I know, for a fact from their mouth, that they’ve cheated on their wife? Absolutely. I know 3–4 guys like this.

Do I know people who claim to be “a family man” and constantly make their wife do everything and prioritize their own need for social life and drinking above their wife’s needs? Yes, I probably know close to 85 people like that. In fact, the depressing normalization of the mostly-useless husband is a whole genre of content in and of itself.

Now, do I know men who are legitimately “family men” and give everything for their partner and (if so blessed) kids? Yep. Actually I can think of 1 to 3 guys who fit this bill perfectly. I think broadly I know more guys who seem like derps who don’t help out at home, but that might be a function of (a) Texas and (b) infertility, which colors how you perceive other men. Sad, but true.

Would I say Trump himself is a family man? No. He has kids, and he brought kids into his businesses, and those kids became rich, and now those kids are part of the Ideology Wars themselves. Does it ever appear, from afar, that he really cares that much about any of his kids? No. However, I also am not with the Trump family behind closed doors. So I could be very wrong there.

It would be helpful at this moment to define the 35,000-foot view of “a family man.” I think, for most people, it would be:

  • Wife
  • 2–3+ kids
  • Good job
  • Provider
  • Does stuff at home
  • Family comes before work and selfish pursuits

I think that’s probably your baseline definition.

Most guys seem to hit the first two bullets, and maybe the third. (The third bullet, i.e. “good job,” is sadly going to become less and less of a reality in the next four decades.) The word “provider” is tricky because while I think women have woken up to men doing nothing at home and now expect more, a lot of women still think that “providing” two kids makes you a “provider,” even if you do nothing after that. I call this “HaSD,” or “Husband as Sperm Donor.”

“Does stuff at home” is vague, but by “stuff” I mean take care of sick kids, dishwasher, outside work, garbage, runs errands, raises children, supports wife, asks about her day, asks about her relationships, etc. Ideally, the man does all these things without expecting her to grind on his dick for 1 minute and 32 seconds later that day. However, “sex as obligation” in a marriage is a very true concept — it’s just something most people are not comfortable discussing.

“Family comes before _______” is a tough one. Ideally, family would come before anything. But, there are economic realities right now that are painful. If your boss is a bully in a suit, and you are the sole economic provider for a family, sometimes you need to say “How high, sir?” when your boss barks “Jump, maggot!” That’s true. You’d want to believe that any boss has enough self-awareness to say “No, go be with your family now” but most bosses have absolutely no self-awareness and arrived there on the train we call Peter Principle.

I think family and relationships should consistently come first, but I realize there are reasons why that can’t happen in different seasons of life.

One troubling thing about a lot of guys is that they like to say they prioritize family, but in reality they prioritize something else (usually a visceral reflection of success and/or work), and they get really defensive if you ever bring up this dichotomy. I used to see this therapist in 2021 and 2022. He was OK overall, and honestly probably part of the problem was that we became “friends” instead of “therapist/patient,” so that kinda backslid therein.

Well, when I saw this guy, I was doing IVF. It failed. One time I bemoaned to my therapist, “Why are there never guys in IVF waiting rooms? Why do husbands always make the woman go to appointments themselves?” He said: “Well, Ted, the guys need to be making money.” It felt incredibly reductive. Like, an IVF appointment takes 30–45 minutes. You can’t take that time away from work to support your wife in her quest for motherhood? But Mr. Therapist Man said the quiet part out loud: a lot of times, life to guys is about hitting these success markers, many of which are tied to work. It’s hard to fully justify yourself as a “family man” in such a context.

So, I think the “family man” construct is similar to the Supreme Court and pornography: you know it when you see it.

What might you add?

Russell Jowell

Code Modernization | Technical Instructor | Marine Services Recently used React Native to build an app for a Bluetooth pain mgmt. device. Also a skilled instructor with experience teaching coding boot camps for kids.

6 个月

But if you’re going to expect your wife to work, then you as the man have also got to take on at least some of the traditional homemaking duties. Women struggle in conflict and thrive in comfort. Men OTOH thrive in conflict and struggle in comfort. There’s an addage I heard once that says “A man who follows his mission and ignores women will ultimately get both, while a man that chases women and ignores his mission will have neither.” I’ve found that the men I’ve historically admired the most were the ones that were driven to succeed primarily while also caring for their families. You’ve got to be there for your fsmiiy, but the most effective men are the ones who also relentlessly pursue their missions. Just my 2c.

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Russell Jowell

Code Modernization | Technical Instructor | Marine Services Recently used React Native to build an app for a Bluetooth pain mgmt. device. Also a skilled instructor with experience teaching coding boot camps for kids.

6 个月

I follow a lot of “manosphere” accounts on Twit…I mean X. Some of their advice is ????, but one thing I think they do get right is the “ideal” division of roles in a relationship. Through human history, and I’m talking thousands of years, the men were the ones who went out and fought to provide for the family while the women stayed back, made the home, and cared for the kids. Men are biologically wired to tackle the “grind,” while women are not. Now FF to today. I’m not going to tell you that the progress women have made in society today is wrong or harmful, but that said, I’m also seeing more and more women aged 30-40 ish who are starting to to regret the “girl boss” path they committed to earlier in their lives. It may have given them a feeling of accomplishment to start, but the problem is, once you get there, you’ve got to keep grinding and fighting in your career, and constant struggle is energizing for men but detrimental to women. Both of my parents worked, and my mother was by far the primary breadwinner of our household. The problem is that too many men are expecting their wives to be both 1/2 provider and full time homemaker all at once, which creates friction. (More)

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Jim L.

It's just me

6 个月

Have you ever had an interview where they tried to find out if you were married and/or had kids? I did. Martha Stewart Omni media. Guy actually asked, tell me something about your personal life. Of course this was over 20 years ago.

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