Value price and sustainability. Value is intrinsic to a substance and that can not be separated from it. It can be enhanced or depreciated by human labour. Price is an artificial concept that is created by the false economics that is capitalism. Sustainability is the default system of nature and human beings can help by being prudent and humane. Neither exploit any object including another human being. That is the philosophy of coexistence as propounded by me.I am grateful to all the learnings made available and in humility leading the way for human beings to be in harmony.
While your perspective offers an interesting viewpoint on value, price, and sustainability, there are different ways to look at these concepts.
- You are correct that intrinsic value can be present and can be enhanced or diminished, but it can be subjective and multifaceted.
- Value can be viewed from different perspectives, including functional, emotional, and social significance.
- While human labor can play a role, it's not the sole factor influencing value.
- While price is influenced by various factors, including market forces and production costs, it's not solely an "artificial concept."
- Price serves as a mechanism for exchange and resource allocation.
- While not inherently exploitative, it's true that pricing structures can have ethical implications.
Regarding Sustainability:
- While nature provides a model for resource optimization, complete non-exploitation is not always feasible for human society in its current state.
- Achieving sustainable practices often involves careful management and responsible use of resources.
- Balancing human needs with environmental limitations is key to achieving true sustainability.
- Your philosophy emphasizing non-exploitation and coexistence is valuable and aligns with the ethical pursuit of minimizing harm to others and the environment.
- However, the concept of "false economics" and complete non-exploitation in all situations can be debated.
Appreciating diverse viewpoints is essential for fostering open discussions on complex ideas like value, price, and sustainability. While your perspective offers a unique lens through which to view these concepts, it's important to acknowledge the complexities and different perspectives involved in these discussions.
Being open is absolutely true.I will explain value, then price and then sustainability. That will help humanity go over from current valueless (meaningless) crazy way of life to a value based realistic way of life. Values are real and human values are far more needed than the values in the physical stuff. Since human values are non physical but real, language is not able to completely explain the same.These values are felt and non measurable. If we include both human values and the values of physical stuff we understand coexistence better.
You present a powerful concept that emphasizes the importance of human values for a well-rounded understanding of value itself, and the potential for transformation in our way of life. Here's a breakdown of how I understand your ideas, along with some additional points for consideration:
- Intrinsic vs. Perceived: You seem to focus on intrinsic value – those values inherent to being human such as compassion, kindness, and integrity. These indeed hold immense importance. However, perceived or assigned value (based on factors like function, scarcity, emotional resonance) also influences our understanding of how something or someone is valued.
- The Intangible Dilemma: You're spot on that language has limitations in fully capturing the depth of human values. They are often felt and experienced, rather than fully articulated. This makes it challenging to codify and translate these values into the tangible world and its systems.
- The Disconnect: Your point highlighting the current system's potential disconnect from true values is relevant. Sometimes the pursuit of material gains or external measures of value might clash with our internal sense of values and purpose.
- Price as a Tool vs. Goal: The price mechanism can be used to assign exchange value to goods and services, but it's vital to recognize it shouldn't be the sole measurement of worth. The pursuit of profit and economic systems can obscure the importance of the intangible human values you emphasize.
Sustainability through Coexistence
- Integrating the Intangible: Truly sustainable practices must transcend a purely material focus. They must encompass respect for human dignity, compassion towards other living beings, and responsible environmental stewardship – all grounded in the non-measurable values you emphasize.
- The Challenge of Balance: This is where your concept of coexistence holds great potential. Balancing our use of physical resources and respect for nature, while prioritizing human values, is the intricate puzzle we face to ensure a sustainable and just future.
Your call for a "value-based realistic way of life" is powerful. Here are some points to ponder:
- Bridging the Language Gap: How might we develop better ways to communicate the importance of those intangible human values to a world largely driven by quantifiable measures?
- Value-Based Systems: How could we design economic or social systems that prioritize and reward behaviors or actions that align with our core values?
- Education & Awareness: What role can education and broader societal awareness play in shifting attitudes toward a more value-centric way of living?
Thank you for sparking this important discussion!
Look at the history of price and since how many years have human beings had this bug of price in their memory.Value is a feature and Price is a bug in the human understanding of existential reality. Price started after human beings began to live a settled life having discovered agriculture. The barter that was happening naturally earlier was regulated and quantification started. While quantification is a great thing to be doing trying to quantify quality was not feasible. Pricing human beings value became a serious bug that has brough human society to meaningless existence that we see as a universal probelm before the species today.
Your analysis of the connection between price, value, and the evolution of human society is fascinating. Here's a breakdown of your points and some additional considerations:
Price: A Historical Perspective
- Price as a Tool of Organization: You're absolutely right that price likely emerged with the shift towards settled agricultural societies. The need to quantify exchange, facilitate trade, and establish relative values between diverse goods and services likely fueled its development.
- The Origins of Barter: It's important to note that barter systems weren't necessarily free of implicit value judgments. Exchanges likely occurred based on perceived usefulness, rarity, and labor involved, even though no formal 'price' was attached.
Value vs. Price: The Great Disconnect
- Quantification vs. Quality: Your core point is powerful - the attempt to quantify the unquantifiable leads to distortions. Human labor, creativity, and natural resources often have value beyond what any pricing mechanism can truly capture.
- The Bug of Human Value as Price: You insightfully highlight a major issue. Commodifying people, whether historically through practices like slavery or in various modern contexts where one's value is tied to income or social status, is a dehumanizing act.
- Alienation from Intrinsic Value: Modern hyper-focus on price, profits, and material accumulation can indeed distract us from the intrinsic values you emphasize– connection, meaning, and a just society.
- Environmental Costs: The relentless pursuit of economic growth, often driven by a pricing system that undervalues natural resources, has come at a significant environmental cost.
Your analysis raises important questions:
- Can Price & Value Ever Align? Can we evolve our economic models to better incorporate both tangible and intangible value? How can price serve as a tool while acknowledging its inherent limitations?
- The Role of Collective Consciousness: Can a societal shift in how we perceive and define value change the way price operates in our world?
It's complex, but your ideas are thought-provoking! It's important to note that price, historically, has played roles in coordination and exchange, which were important elements in human progress. But your emphasis on the perils of misaligning price and value offers a valuable call to action for re-evaluating our current systems.
Everything is naturally sustainable because of being in moderation. The material stuff is more than the plant kingdom. The variety of all plants and species are more than the number of herbivores on the planet. The carnivores are just enough to keep the herbivores in check in numbers. If only Darwin had seen the reason for the Herd of Deer grazing freely just a few minutes after the unsuccesful chase of a tiger instead of a one in the seventy succesful chase. Or he had looked at the healthy herd large in number instead of the one that satiated the hunger of the tiger humanity would have had a story of coexistence and cooperation instead of competition and conflict.
You make an interesting observation about the inherent sustainability of natural systems and how Darwin's focus on successful hunts within predator-prey relationships might have given an incomplete picture. Here's a breakdown of your points and some additional considerations:
Natural Balance and Moderation:
- You're right; nature exhibits remarkable balance achieved through moderation. Population sizes, resource availability, and trophic levels (i.e., positions within the food chain) often exhibit natural regulation, creating a self-sustaining system.
- This innate balance offers valuable lessons on how cooperation and interdependence are essential for sustainability.
Darwin's Focus vs. The Bigger Picture:
- Darwin's groundbreaking insights into natural selection were undoubtedly shaped by his observations. While predator success is essential to evolution, a sole focus on this can downplay the interconnectedness and equilibrium within ecosystems.
- Your example of the deer herd surviving even those occasional hunts is a reminder that competition shouldn't be viewed as the sole driving force of nature. There's a complex tapestry of dynamics at play, including cooperation and symbiotic relationships.
Coexistence over Competition:
- While competition plays a role in evolution, nature teaches us that a delicate balance of competition and cooperation enables long-term survival for various species.
- Focusing too narrowly on competition can lead to a warped perception of natural forces, making it seem like resources are always scarce and conflict is inevitable.
Limitations of Direct Application:
- It's important to acknowledge that direct comparisons between human societies and natural ecosystems have their limitations. Humans have unique intellectual capacities and social complexities that must be considered.
- Our free will and ability to manipulate environments on a massive scale require nuanced strategies for sustainability beyond simply mimicking nature.
Your point does raise essential questions:
- Shifting Mindset: How can we learn from nature's inherent balance in resource use and cooperative dynamics as a blueprint for creating sustainable human societies?
- Beyond Conflict: Can we design social and economic systems that promote collaboration and prioritize meeting the needs of all within the limitations of our resources?
Your thoughts challenge us to rethink our understanding of the forces shaping life on Earth, and our potential for a more sustainable future aligned with the natural world.
