University or Trade School? What's Better?
Bruce Hurwitz, Ph.D.
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As my regular readers know, a couple of years ago I had the misfortune of working for a mercifully short time at a New York university focused on helping their IT students. What was most interesting was that, at the time, I don't know the situation today (it really does not interest me), they were receiving tax payer dollars to run a special program where students would learn the hard- and soft-skills demanded by employers, and be put in touch with prospective employers to secure jobs.
Now, if you think about it, isn't that what tuition is for? To learn the hard-skills, to obtain the technical knowledge, to work in IT? To learn the soft-skills, to learn the personality attributes to pass an interview and successfully interact with colleagues and clients. in other words, to succeed in the workplace?
Don't get me wrong, I was once a fundraiser. If the government had offered me something like $700,000 to do something I was already supposed to be doing (and, in my case, would have been), I would have grabbed it, freed up my $700K and started a new program. That's what I would have done.
One other thing: The program with which I was involved offered educational classes and not just career counseling services. Students did not receive credit for those classes. In other words, they were not recognized by the Computer Science departments. Put differently, in essence, this accredited university had set up a non-accredited technical or trade school.
That reminded me of a job I had for a couple of years teaching at the Mechanics Institute of the General Society of Mechanics and Tradesmen. My students included carpenters, plumbers, electricians and project managers. There was even a bricklayer! (I readily admitted that I did not know the job still existed.) It was one of the best jobs I ever had. The students were great and the school was unaccredited. Employers and the unions would send their employees/members to the Institute because of the quality of the instructors (myself excluded, of course!). Students would learn what they needed to progress on the job. The employers did not care about accreditation; they cared about skills. Can the person do the job or not? That was the only question that mattered. (And for their part, the students didn't care because their graduation, so to speak, their certification, was recognized by their employers/union. That's what mattered, not recognition by the State.)
And that brings me to something I have begun to see over the past few months while doing IT searches. A great many students seem to begin at a 4-year college and then drop out/transfer to a technical school. In one or two years they learn how to be a network engineer, a help desk technician, or what have you. They can then pursue Microsoft, Cisco and other certifications, which seem to be of real interest to IT companies, not diplomas. Then they get a job, let's say paying $60K. Two years later, their university graduate peer, gets a job paying $80K, but by then, the tech school graduate, is earning $80K and has two years of actual work experience. What's more, they don't have nearly the debt of the university grad, if they have any at all.
From the perspective of the client, what do they care if the person fixing their problem has a degree from a university or a technical/trade school, as long as they can fix their clients' problems quickly and accurately?
And it's not just IT. What about healthcare? Do you care if the person taking your x-ray graduated from college or from a tech school, as long as they x-ray the correct body part and the picture is clear? It's the radiologist who you want to have the accreditation, not the "photographer."
Here's another example from health care. When you go to a lab to have your blood drawn (Why do they say "drawn?" I have never seen a single crayon in a lab only sharp needles!) do you ever ask about the phlebotomist's education? I don't. All I care about is that they find, hit the vein, and that it doesn't hurt. (I'm not proud! I admit it. I don't like needles!)
So there are plenty of jobs for which degrees and schools don't matter. What matters is technical knowledge and the ability to interact with people professionally and respectfully, especially when you disagree with them - something that is becoming less common on college campuses today.
My conclusion: If you are going for a technical degree, something for which you will have to use your hands, don't waste you money on university or college. Also, unlike colleges which sometimes build their reputation on athletics to a greater degree than academics, and are plagued by politics, tech schools have only one selling point: How long it takes their grads to get work.
That said, there is something you will not get at a tech school that you will at college: a broader education. But today, that is not a problem.
You need to be a more complete person. You want to be interesting. You want to be able to speak intelligently, if not authoritatively, on a variety of topics. Well, there are perfectly good apps and websites for that. A few that come to mind are masterclass.com, udemy.com, onlinecouses.com, coursera.org, https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/free-online-course, and study.com, to name but a few. And I am certain there are more.
Remember, it is always an advantage if you understand what your clients do. That's how you impress them and how your advance in your career.
There is nothing new here. In fact, what I am proposing is literally ancient. There was this fellow who had barely one-year of formal education. He basically taught himself to read and write. He read any book he could get his hands on, even if that meant walking for miles barefoot because his parents could not afford to buy him shoes. Eventually he read law books and was mentored by a lawyer. In those days, that's all that was needed to practice law. And he did. He wasn't great at it, but, with all his self-learning, he had learned a lot and became a very good story teller (thanks to his listening skills) and orator. He entered politics, lost an election for the House of Representatives, but then was elected President of the United States. Now you may not be an Abraham Lincoln, but, if you think about it, Lincoln wasn't Lincoln until he did what he had to do - learn! - to become Abraham Lincoln.
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Bruce Hurwitz, the Amazon international best selling author of The 21st Century Job Search and Immigrating to Israel, is an executive recruiter and career counselor. He has helped scores (thousands if you include attendees at his presentations) of people, including veterans, not only change jobs but, on occasion, change careers. Having successfully transitioned from academia to non-profits to the recruiting industry, he has been there and done that! A five-star rated speech writer on Fiverr, he is the host and producer of the live-interview podcast, Bruce Hurwitz Presents: MEET THE EXPERTS.
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4 年I believe it is all about people making the right life choices for them, and not following generic, outdated, and limiting roadmaps, writen by someone else, a long time ago; i.e., go to high school . . . graduate . . . go to college . . . graduate . . . get a job, etc., etc., etc. People need to first know themselves to discover their passion, which leads them to their purpose, which leads them to a job/career/profession. What boxes would they check off on a multiple choice test: Suit or Jeans, Inside or Outside, Hand or Head, and so on. The good news is that there are many educational choices available (including not going to school) to help individuals focus on their purpose. The bad news is that the Higher Education/General Education Industry is evolving very rapidly, and can be doing a better job of matching education with student needs - many institutions are working on that. This uncertainty sometimes makes it hard for a person to decide. In addition, some younger people are also battling parent pressure . . . "You must go to college to make something of yourself." In the end, a confident person who knows how to find out what they want to do, will then do it. Does that say, yet again, all roads lead back to a child's upbringing and their parents? I feel one of the most import roles a parent plays with their children is to help instill confidence in them, so they know themselves and become? comfortable with who they are, as that confidence will help launch them.?
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4 年Right on Bruce. Being both an IT leader and Tradesmen for years, I know each has advantages, it depends on the person. Whatever you learn you must be able to apply it (with a comprehensive understanding) and make an excellent income or you won't be able to provide for yourself and others.? You have to grow and learn, challenge others and be challenged.? Since I am also a LinkedIn career adviser I deal with these exact questions often.? In addition to Bruce's excellent viewpoint,? we need more mentors.? I urge everyone to be involved, help educate our young people to become awesome tradesmen (or women), IT techs, leaders, or whatever they wish to do ****but to do it with passion and integrity. ***
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4 年"It's the radiologist who you want to have the accreditation, not the "photographer."" That's the crux of it. There are certain professions where the degree still matters. Conversely, I see students every day who have degrees that didn't get them jobs and now they in retraining to become employable. However, once employed, that degree may get them a promotion, which they would have otherwise not gotten down the road.
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4 年The gap between what universities offer and are rewarded for and what students and employers need is huge.? As I said in my recent book #seeingaroundcorners?unfortunately we seem to be in a situation where for many student's it's a college degree or nothing, when there are so many other interesting ways to gain the skills to have a great life.? In any case, since we're all going to need to be continuously re-skilling, the idea that you can get a 4-year degree and be done learning is already on its last legs, in my opinion.? Thanks for such a thought-provoking article!??