'Things would be so much easier if you stayed'

'Things would be so much easier if you stayed'

In Munich today, German diplomat and chair of the Munich Security Conference, Wolfgang Ischinger, told Prime Minister Theresa May regarding Brexit, ‘Things would be so much easier if you stayed.’

His comment received warm applause from those present in the hall, lasting much longer than the reception to Mrs May’s own speech.

Mrs May was having none of it. She told the audience in Germany that the decision to leave the EU was final, and there could be no second referendum.

But that didn’t stop her second guessing the reasons why Britain was leaving the European Union (none of which were asked in the referendum poll).

She said people voted for Brexit because of ‘the feeling that we wanted to take control of our borders.’ What she didn’t say is that Britain already has control of its borders. It was a lie imposed on the electorate that Britain was misled into believing otherwise.

Even Mrs May knows that. Before the referendum, she confirmed on BBC’s Andrew Marr show that Britain doesn’t have open borders, not even to EU citizens. She said then:

“We check people at our borders, but what matters at our borders is that you have the information about people that enables you to make that decision about whether somebody should be allowed into the UK or not.

“We are more likely to have that information if we’re inside the European Union.”

(∞ Source Andrew Marr, BBC: https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/24041602.pdf)

Mrs May also said another reason Britain is leaving the EU is because “we wanted to take control of our own laws.” But Britain already does control its laws. The vast majority of British laws are made in our Parliament in Westminster (otherwise it would have nothing to do).

She said we didn’t want to accept decisions being “taken in Brussels”. But we don’t.

In the EU, the UK takes a full and democratic role in the decision-making process, through the directly elected European Parliament, and the EU Council, where Britain is proportionally represented. Indeed, research undertaken by Vote Watch EU demonstrated that the UK government and MEPs had accepted over 97% of EU adopted laws.

Outside the EU, the UK will have no say or vote on EU laws, even though they will affect us just as much, whether we are a member or not.

A delegate at the Munich conference said that the French and the Dutch had voted against a new EU constitution, but then changed their mind in a second referendum when a new framework was put forward.

He said to applause, “That’s not a matter of national shame. I think it may be a matter of national prudence.”

Theresa May responded, “At the time when other countries in the European Union had referenda the results came out against the new constitution and people were asked to vote again.

“Many of us in the United Kingdom actually said that that was not the right approach that should be taken. People in the UK feel very strongly that if they take a decision the government shouldn’t turn around to them and say, ‘No, you’ve got that wrong, have another go.’”

However, both the questioner and Mrs May got it wrong. France and the Netherlands voted against a new EU constitution, meaning it didn’t go ahead, as new treaties require the unanimous consent of all member states. That actually shows the EU is run as a democracy.

Later, there was a revised proposal, called the Lisbon Treaty. In a referendum, Ireland voted 53% against the Treaty.

But then Ireland won significant concessions called ‘the Irish guarantees’. With these assurances, the Irish voted 67% in favour of the Lisbon Treaty in a second referendum.

It’s absurd to say that the Irish people could be forced to vote in a second referendum in a way they didn’t want. In life, as in referendums, second thoughts can be better.

Mrs May also told her German audience today that “an overwhelming majority in the United Kingdom Parliament voted to say that the decision about membership of the European Union should be one for the people of the United Kingdom.”

But what Mrs May didn’t say is that Parliament didn’t vote for 'the people' to make ‘a decision’ on whether the UK should leave the EU. Parliament overwhelmingly voted that the electorate should be asked for their opinion in an advisory, non-legally binding poll.

The Supreme Court already ruled that only Parliament could decide whether the UK should leave the EU – a decision that Parliament has never actually voted on.

And when Mrs May referred to ‘the British people’ she failed to mention that only 17 million people voted for Brexit – hardly representative of a country with a population of 65 million, and hardly a majority in a country with 46.5 million registered voters.

What Mrs May also didn’t say was that before the referendum she said, “I believe it is clearly in our national interest to remain a member of the European Union.’

For reasons she has never explained, Mrs May changed her mind. Something she won’t allow the British people to do.

  • Watch this 2-minute video of Theresa May in Munich:


Peter Elwin

Sustainable food systems | ESG, Equities, and Fixed Income specialist | Research and investment process | Natural capital analysis | Independent Trustee | Financial training | ACA

7 年

Here's the thought experiment: "In a speech launching the XXX Party manifesto today, the party leader promised if elected they would take at least 5% off GDP growth and cut thousands of jobs in the North East, Wales, and parts of Scotland by following a Britain First policy. Foreign investment and immigration will be slashed as the first stage of a Britain First austerity package designed to deliver the radical surgery this country needs to succeed as a global trading power. This generation won't see the benefits but our grandchildren will be grateful." That's the core of the Brexit argument - leave one of the largest free trade areas in the world because we believe there are better free trade areas we can create elsewhere. The challenge is that while we wait for these new FTAs to be negotiated we will suffer the hit to our existing business - and that impact will be significant as (for example) the automotive sector shows: 'Mini crankshaft crosses the channel 3 times' https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/03/brexit-uk-car-industry-mini-britain-eu. Sunny Brexit uplands may be reached eventually, but a generation will suffer in the meantime. I don't recall that catchphrase in any referendum or election manifestos.

Paul Green cssw

Supplying and advising on Structural Water & Gas Proofing systems, for at, above or below ground levels is what we do at Delta, Often in an innovative & progressive manner.

7 年

Oh dear, here we go Dawn, we'll hear all the old chestnuts about how the majority didn't know they didn't want an unelected rule, from afar, with jobs for life for the elite, and the Brahmer that a democratic election needs re doing if the result doesn't yield what some don't want to see, when in reality, would it not perhaps be bigger to get on with the task in hand and improve what we had to what we can actually have ?.

Dawn Hare

Owner, DMH Architectural Services

7 年

If we change our minds now and stay the eu will forever override us.. we will never have as strong a position as when Margaret Thatcher negotiated our position within the eu... so out is better and stronger for the UK.

David Jones

Director of Education & Training at ICM + 2024 V.President of The Inst. of Construction Management (founded 1842) + CAC Steeing Group Committee Member

7 年

average citizen Jo Public plebs only control was that 'X' in the box to then convey the 'majority Will of the People' to those empowered ones to carry out 'the Will of the People' [yes? - that's democratic isn't it? - but, doesn't all that require to be based upon truthful, factual evidence, a chartered manifesto, and a vitally important forward plan - Yes or No?] ... ... the driving force for PM May's blinkered 'leave means leave' stance to leave the EU whatever [in some form or other] surely can't be based upon a 'Brexit Plan' because there isn't one yet is there? ... so, what's the 'real' reason eh! - is that more to do with keeping PM May propped up and her cabinet in gov't control even though all around her are probably realising it was the continuance of the farce created by Cameron who thought he could wipe out Farage in their personal spat - and lost! ~ leaving new PM May without any clear mandate to pick up the pieces and cobble something together - hmm, and, many months on it's still a lot of old cobbles/no plan isn't it and, probably her having to sacrifice the Good Friday Agreement on 'peace in Ireland' by buying the DUP to make up the numbers was cobbles too! ... hmm, maybe stay and change is better? ( ?° ?? ?°) ...

John Hesketh MSc.

Scaling Companies | Driving Innovation | Cluster Development | Infrastructure Specialist

7 年

Absolutely spot on Jo. Theresa May is in hock to those eurosceptic MPs in her party, because they have enough support to mount a leadership challenge if she does not go for a hard BREXIT. It is the only explanation for her apparent volt face from remain to leave. For her, it is leadership at any cost but unless Labour's leadership opposes Government on the SM or CU, she will survive.

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