Salary vs Dividends - a false debate
Jean-Pierre Laporte, BA, MA, LLB, RWM
Pension Solutions Consultant/CEO
When it comes to BUSINESS OWNERS, there is no debate between whether to take compensation in the form of Salary versus Dividends, unless one is over the age of 71 or so poor as to not even own a house.
While this opinion may seem extreme and totally counter to what almost everyone else says, I am of the strongest belief that a successful business owner in Canada should take some of the take home compensation in the form of a salary, and if additional funds are needed, a dividend can then (and only then) be contemplated.
The simple reason is that by advocating a 100% dividend strategy, financial advisors and accountants are doing a considerable disservice to their business clientele for a variety of reasons set out below.
Since dividend income is a right of being a shareholder (and not an employee), a 100% dividend strategy precludes the possibility of setting up a Personal Pension Plan (PPP). In other words, here is what happens:
1) You face immediate taxation at the corporate level (12.2% in Ontario if under $500,000, 26.5% on taxable revenues above $500,000, more if the Tax On Passive Income kicks in, and 44.5% if a personal service corporation). That means you are already starting with a handicap.
2) Retained earnings kept in the business or even transferred to a HOLDCO will now grow passively and continually face potentially very high rates of taxation (especially on interest income or foreign dividend income). Sure, you can buy and hold stocks and never sell them to avoid this ongoing taxation, but surely few are like Warren Buffett and know which stocks to pick and hold on for 30+ years. Beware of the Morneau measures and the Tax On Passive Income, since once you earn more than $50,000, for every additional dollar of passive income one loses 5$ of the company's $500,000 small business deduction limit. In other words, the corporate tax rate more than DOUBLES from 12.2% to 26.5% on each dollar caught by this 2018 tax measure!
3) When you decide to retire and you do need money to live, the corporation that invested passively must generally pay you a dividend personally, and that's when you have to include that income into personal income through the dividend tax gross up and deduction system. So for a third time, the CRA has its hand extended waiting for their share.
4) if you die and the value of your passive corporate investments are part of the value of the shares of your company, we now have a 'deemed disposition' and immediate taxation. We cannot rollover that value to children without exposing it to taxation. We may even have to worry about provincial probate fees in certain provinces depending on the monetary amounts in question.
So while we did not have to make any CPP contributions, the overall picture is one of constant taxation and the risk of large tax on death (or if one becomes a non-resident of Canada - under the 'departure tax').
Now, let's look at what happens if some of the compensation is paid via Salary and the corporation sets up a PPP:
a) Contributions made to the PPP by the corporation are fully tax-deductible.
b) Such contributions include:
c) Moreover, some additional amounts are also tax-deductible:
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d) In effect, instead of starting with a deficit, we utilize pre-tax corporate dollars to build up a pension plan that will grow for many years in an account not subjected to ongoing taxation.
e) And even at the end, during the de-cumulation phase, the PPP provides many ways to further reduce the tax burden:
BUT BY FAR, the biggest disservice of the "All Dividends" camp is the failure to allow families to pass wealth from one generation to the next tax effectively through the use of the PPP set up for that family.
If multiple folks in a family business all join the single family PPP (since all are eligible on account of receiving a salary), should the parents pass away while in receipt of their pension, the balance of the capital that was not spent during retirement transforms into what we pension lawyers call "pension surplus". This surplus is such because the pension plan has discharged its promised obligations: it paid a pension to the member, and would have paid a survivor pension had there been a survivor spouse to pay it to. Any monies left behind is simply classified as surplus.
Where the PPP allows multiple family members to save for retirement and some pass away, the surplus is not subjected to a "deemed disposition". Instead it continues to operate, free of tax, within the confines of the pension plan. The surviving children that are still plan members in effect get to control that untaxed surplus. Some simply let it grow for many more decades free of tax to create a massive safety buffer. Others return some of the surplus back to the corporation, especially if the corporation has carried forward tax losses it has yet to utilize. Finally some declare a surplus distribution of some or all of the surplus. That surplus distribution is either taxable or non taxable depending on the recipient of the surplus. If a registered charity is a beneficiary of the PPP, it is exempt from tax, even on receiving surplus from the PPP.
None of this powerful tax planning is possible if one opts for 100% dividends.
Oh! and don't get me started on the CPP and how it is such a waste of money and won't exist etc. Salary implies having to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan. Many think that they could do better than the CPP Investment Board in investing the employer and employee premiums ($3499.80 x 2) over long periods of time. It turns out when you get an actuary to crunch the numbers that in order to match the CPP Investment Board and generate an annual flow of retirement income from say an RRSP, you would have to find a risk-free GIC-like bond that pays 4.6% consistently for 30 years in a row in the open market.
The bottom line is that unless you are ready to take risks including the risk of losing it all, it is virtually impossible to match the stream of pension income paid out of the CPP on your own for someone that has a normal life expectancy. And for those who still think that the CPP is about to go bankrupt, the Chief Actuary has reported that it is viable for at least the next 75 years. The last time people though the CPP was going bankrupt was back in 1997 and this was before the CPP Investment Board was created and the provinces worked together to amend the CPP Act to put this plan on a solid financial footing. Their doomsday information is 25 year old and getting a bit dated.
Don't be guided by slogans and facile thinking. Finance is not easy but it is worth spending time learning about how the laws of this country work.
I could not agree more. Thanks
Pension Solutions Consultant/CEO
2 年Jarrett Holmes, QAFP? makes an important observation in asking whether having too much money in the PPP at retirement might cause excessive personal tax. While some might view having too much money as being a "nice problem to have" or a "first world problem" - the PPP does provide a variety of ways of actually reducing personal taxes during the de-cumulation phase: (1) pension income splitting rules applies at ANY AGE with a PPP, (not post 65 with a RRIF). (2) both members of the couple can also claim the non refundable pension amount credit of $2000 every year (3) for those who retire as non-residents, the Canadian withholding tax on the PPP pension is a mere 15% thanks to the various Tax Treaties Canada has signed with over 100 countries around the Globe. (4) nothing prevents someone who has more than enough to live to make a charitable donation and claim a personal tax deduction on anything not needed for current spending. That negates the impact of collecting too much money and pays it forward to the less fortunate.
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2 年Jean-Pierre Laporte, BA, MA, LLB, RWM thanks for the great breakdown. I’ll admit I’m new to learning about the PPP but when you state none of the tax benefits are available to someone on an all dividend structure, doesn’t that ignore the fact that corporately owned permanent life insurance can transfer (and multiply) corporate capital tax-free (or close to) to the family members of the shareholder or a charity. Or during lifetime, couldn’t a shareholder on an all dividend structure access the accumulated cash value in a life insurance policy that has grown tax free personally via a corporate IRP? If someone funds a PPP too extensively, are there risks it could force them into the highest tax bracket in retirement due to minimum withdrawal requirements resulting in paying taxes in excess of what their lifestyle demands? While I do understand the benefits of the PPP, are there no pitfalls? You make a lot of great points but on the flip side there are also some advantages to a dividend structure and great planning opportunities for those that opt to go that route as well. I’d be curious to see an unbiased comparison of the planning opps that exist under both a complete salary or a complete dividend structure as I learn more.