TO: Presidents of Mortgage Companies- Why your sales plan is wrong and what to do about it.

TO: Presidents of Mortgage Companies- Why your sales plan is wrong and what to do about it.


Your approach to sales is modeled after a long practiced method of what has always been done and it is unquestioningly the wrong way. Salespeople in the mortgage industry used to be handed a phone book and told to find the names of Realtors in their area and pick a few that they thought was close enough to the salesperson's house.

“Go see some of them”, they were told. “Make friends, tell them how great our service is, and why our rates are so low." That is what they were told. And for the most part, that is just what salespeople did, or tried to do. I’m betting that most of you don’t remember or never knew that the only way we did business in the 60's, 70's, 80's, '90's and aughts was to try to form good friendships with the very few Realtors that were called on (visited), try to prove ourselves by returning phone calls, knowing the status of the loans in our pipeline, and had a firm understanding of the rules set by the FHA, VA, and FNMA. Additionally, I’m betting that the greater majority of salespeople that work for you have never read a mortgage or note, never picked up the HUD handbook, or perused the FNMA guidelines for even half an hour.

Then at one point or another, along comes a refinance market, a market which did not require an MLO to leave their desk. All they had to do was sit by the phone and wait for it to ring. Their broker/owners were placing ads in every known publication, bought list upon list of eligible refinance clients, told all their friends and clients how easy it was to get the money out of their equity and for the most part failed to keep in touch with the most important people in their Rolodex….. their Realtor referral sources. I watched it happen. In fact, when the MLO’s finally started to go back into the field, littered with the bodies of long forgotten MLO’s who had been thrown out of Realtors offices, they were surprised to find that in most cases, they too were persona non grata.

Realtors asked, with forked tongue no longer planted firmly in cheeks, but viciously protruding between pursed lips, “Where have you been for the past 5 years? Now you want my business when for the last half decade, you’ve been ignoring me? Well, go on your way because I don’t need you anymore!”

It took a very long time, another 2-3 years at least before the MLO’s could figure out any way to generate business, and what was pronounced as the “way,” but even that is all wrong. It was just the same way as before. Phone books. Smartphones were not yet in vogue.

I coach people for a living. I’ve been doing it for over 3 decades. Most of my clients are in the mortgage business. My ability to help them is built upon having spent over 5 decades in this one industry, most of it in sales. The clients I work with, when they meet with me for the first time, via telephone, are asked to complete a questionnaire as to how they generate business. It’s pretty simple. The question that elicits, almost invariably, the same response is “How many REAL referral sources do you have?” The answer is almost always 5 or 6, but sometimes it is as low as 3 or 4. “That is just pathetic”, as my 8th-grade teacher, Sister May Denise used to yell at us when we gave an unsatisfactory answer to a basic question about history or arithmetic. It is pathetic what most of you do. It takes me back to the 60’s when the owner of a mortgage company, usually someone who had been a successful salesperson, handed the yelow paged phone book to the new hire.

Many years ago, my nephew, Peter was waiting to take the course in law enforcement when he decided that rather than just sit and vegetate, he would put his mind and brain to work to learn something completely new. Having spent many years in the company of my father, a former real estate and mortgage broker, Peter was intrigued by the business of marrying a buyer to a seller. Peter went to the prescribed school and was smart enough to pass the state test on his first try. Then he was successful in securing a desk at a high-powered real estate firm, well respected and very well known.

It was almost immediate that the "parade” started. The one where loan officers of all stripes, backgrounds, experience, motivation, and poor training started to traipse by his cubicle. They were like vultures around a dying carcass, as Pete described them. They were relentless. They came time after time. And Pete, being the nicest he could, let them know how new he was, how inexperienced he was, and how much he wanted to be a success. All of this consternation caused Pete to pretty quickly become even more confused that he was at the beginning of his tenure and within a few weeks called me to ask my opinion of how to handle this onslaught of people he had never known nor ever expected to know.

“Peter”, I inquired, “what do they say when they come to your cubicle? What do they talk about?”

“Mostly they say that they have the lowest rates, some say they will run a credit report for any leads I get, some talk about the programs they have and how their service is so good, that I’ll love doing business with them. And since I’m a bit curious about some of these personalities, I asked a couple of them to tell me about another member of the parade. They have been only too happy to denigrate their peers.” His description of these people reminded me of a parade where the viewers are asked rate the quality of floats: their colorfulness, ingenuity, originality, and content.

“Pete, how do you feel about these people? What has your manager told you to look for? What criteria would you like to use to determine who is really good at their job?”

“I have no idea, Uncle Ralph. They all seem alike to me. My manager said to find one I liked.” Neither one of us liked that strategy.

A client of mine has recently acted as a special reporter for a national mortgage publication meant to better inform the specific audience they reach. His assignment was to interview executives of major companies and ask what it is that their company does that is their special sales niche. What is the secret that separated them from all their competitors? It is clear to anyone who has viewed those interviews that the message the executives want the world to know is that 1-they have the best and widest variety of innovative programs, 2- they always give their clients the best rates and 3-they never charge points. That their service is beyond belief because they instruct all their employees, both sales, and operations personnel to service their clients to the best of their ability.

So when I review the conversations I had with my nephew and then about 20 years later am exposed to about a dozen actual interviews, videoed so there is no mistaking what the participants were saying, I’m telling you that what you probably do is wrong, ill conceived and improperly taught.

I’m reminded of the secrets that most mortgage salespeople say they have, that they know the way to originate business. I’m telling you it is probably wrong and you should stop it immediately and start on a new system, and practice it every day.

I have recently taken on a new client who has been stumbling about because the person who trained him by was a self-confessed “dinosaur” who was still bringing donuts, bagels, coffee and food trays to the few (5) offices he actually went to see. When I told him how to become a better salesperson, I could see the reluctance right through the phone, I could hear the questioning in his voice and sensing the hold back of hearing new ideas.

The most powerful thing in the universe of sales is ‘ideas’. But ideas will get you nowhere if you don’t put them into action. Ideas have so much power it is incalculable. What prevents us from using that power is that there is some fear that prevents us from enacting them.

The most powerful emotion, bar none, is fear. Fear of acting in a silly way, stupid, inferior, juvenile, criticism, success, past, future, children, parents, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, cousins, co-workers, clients and the list goes on and on. You cannot succeed until you can put your fears aside and enact the ideas that will produce the kind of results that you say you want.

It is important here that I convince you that fear of the new style of sales will earn much more money for you than you ever believed. I will also state, emphatically and absolutely that if you continue to do what you’ve been doing (or not doing) you will fail. And fail miserably. If fear of failure is not enough to spur you to do something different then I think this is the point where you can stop reading. I’m going to offer you a way of earning a living that has been tried, tested vetted and practiced that is proven beyond a shadow of yourself to be life changing.

Here, just to whet your appetite is one idea. Help your Realtors by suggesting this: call all their past buyers/sellers at least once a quarter and ask them for a referral. Boom!

Jenny Cleaves Martinez

Helping buyers and sellers build the American Dream one closing at a time

7 年

Name on point??

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Kyle Nicholas McCray

Top-Rated Home Loan Consultant | Helping Families Build Wealth Through Homeownership | Trusted Partner for Realtors, Attorneys, CPAs, and Financial Advisors

7 年

Amen Ralph, how do help your clients break old habits or the way it used to be?

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I would love to have your list

Sean B.

Lead Wealth Management Banker at Wells Fargo Private Bank - Legal Specialty Group, NMLSR ID: 537682

7 年

Alex Galloway this is a great place to ask your Heloc questions

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