Are Phishing Tests Helping or Hurting Our Security Program?
Are we missing the point with phishing tests? We know attackers will just craft better messages to get clicks. So how can we make our own testing more meaningful?
Check out this post for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week’s episode co-hosted by me, David Spark , the producer of CISO Series , and Geoff Belknap . Joining us is Dennis Pickett, CISSP , vp, CISO, Westat .?
Not all education requires tests
Educating users about phishing isn’t a pass-fail experience. Viewing it as such is missing the point. "Abandon viewing phishing simulations as tests. They are immersive education opportunities. The goal shouldn’t be on the organization’s click rate, but rather the organization’s resilience as measured by the ratio of the number of employees that report the email. Driving that reporting culture can be the difference," said Rohyt Belani , former CEO of PhishMe. That reporting culture can only be effective if employees know and trust where to go. As Jonathan Waldrop , CISO, The Weather Company , explained, "The best way to protect against phishing attacks, is to give your employee base clear guidance on how to escalate when they do accidentally click. And to be clear, nobody should be fired for admitting they made a mistake. If your security strategy relies on one person not clicking, you're doomed to fail."
Understand your users
Avoid using phishing tests to derive a single metric for the company. Instead, use it to enrich how you understand your employees. "Phish tests are measurable, and I’d like to see them used for risk scoring of users, with associated permissions, rather than ‘send to a website for a learning experience.’ Track those who read your intentional emails, attend your webinars, and care about security. They are natural champions for the cause and act as the human sensors who will report issues you want to know about," said Gadi Evron of Knostic . David Jones of RxBenefits, Inc. echoed this advice about finding your security champions, saying, "Don't condemn the ones that click, but celebrate the ones that report them."
Building reflexes
Staff will become more engaged with phishing if they have an understanding of what happens next. Show people the stakes to make them invested in secure behavior. "We are finally accepting that humans aren't the last layer of defense. In my career I've done live-hacking demonstrations that showed users what happens ‘after the click’ and it was far more engaging and effective than my phishing sim program was. Let's accept the fact that users will click, just like users will plug in USB, just like users will lose devices, and build a support system around those behaviors," said Jason Hoenich (hey-nick) of Arctic Wolf .
An ounce of prevention
The biggest issue with a phishing test is its existence presupposes a failure. While it’s critical to defend in depth, let’s not lose sight of trying to stop the failures that let phishing messages through in the first place. "I'd rather take the pressure off the employees by implementing proactive security controls that prevent the phishing email from getting in the first instance. Isolate all web content to the network (or WFH). While phishing awareness training is great, it does put unnecessary pressure on employees," said Sunday McDickson Samuel- SMS of SMSAM SYSTEMS LTD .
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1 个月it will only be solve with architecture and design. Employee Phishing test is a waste of resources. if we don't know the essential elements of the system, no chance.
US Security Officer | Speaker | Mentor | FBI CISO Academy Alumni | FBI Infragard Board Member | FBI Infragard Cyber Council Founding Member | FBI Infragard IT Sector Chief | San Diego CISO Roundtable Board Member
2 个月I've never been a fan of self-phishing tests. Security departments like it because it makes a great dashboard, but it creates a division between the Security department and the Business. I prefer a program that utilizes engaging training and an appropriate systems controls to protect the user, instead of trying to "catch" the User doing something wrong.
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2 个月As history teaches, no amount of training will address the issue if you don't have the right layers of protection. Understanding the flow External>Internal>External and ensuring you maximise your chances of detection and response is where the focus needs to be. Humans will always make mistakes and in this case that translates to clicking on links.