The Microbore question revisited.

The Microbore question revisited.

Nothing revs up the heat pump community like a bit of microbore. For those who dont know what it is, its the small diameter pipe that feeds radiators, it is about the same size as the cable that plugs into your kettle. It was very popular in the 80s and 90s because its cheap and quick to install. I've covered it before in a previous blog https://www.dhirubhai.net/pulse/heat-pumps-microbore-why-can-excellent-bed-fellows-graham-hendra/ but its been bought to my attention again so here's an update.

If you are lazy, or cant do the maths its simple to say microbore doesn't work on heat pumps. But its not true. Microbore works fine on any heating system with a heat pump or not.

I started a new job on Friday, I'm back. (I'm still lecturing at Eastleigh college as well, dont panic) My new role is as Technical director of Genous.Earth. I'm working with a really exciting team and its a completely new direction for me.

Genous offers end to end retrofit solutions for homeowners looking to improve the EPC ratings, reduce the bills and make an impact on their carbon footprint. We focus on Insulation improvements, Photo Voltaic systems, Batteries, Heat pumps, double glazing Biomass etc.

Our online platform demystifies the renewable and decarbonisation journey, it offers advise on which are the most effective and economically viable solutions for your house one at a time.

I'm going to be focusing on how to put together packages of technologies that work well together.

My first role was to aid the guys getting MCS accredited. To do this I volunteered to be the nominated MCS technical person. The problem is that despite working in the industry for 13 years, writing 2 heat pump books, many many training manuals, a heat loss calculator, tech videos, and answering tens of thousands of technical support phone calls, I haven't got the bit of paper. When I started there was no bit of paper.

So I had to go back to school. Clive Archer very kindly squeezed me onto the relevant heat pump training course and threw in the low temperature heating system design course too, and that's where the microbore comes in.

In the low temp dosing course you have to do a heat load calc, a radiator sizing calculation and work out some pipe sizes. I haven't done this long hand for years, I wrote it into my heat loss calculator eons ago and it does it all automatically.

The pipe size exercise you complete comes out with an answer of 8mm pipe, that's microbore. So let me recap. In the qualification you need to be the MCS accredited technical person for heat pumps you actually work out that microbore does work.

Announcing that microbore doesn't work is the same as saying either "A, I failed the low temp heating design course, B, I haven't done it, or C, I cant remember what they taught in the course".

Microbore works, its just pipe. a few minutes of calculations confirm this.

Our heating system design software at Genous works this all out for the plumbers and heating engineers before they even set foot in the building. They get given a full pack including the system design schematics, radiator selection, all the settings required etc. And now we do the MCS paperwork too giving them time to get on with the bit they are best at, installing the technology.


Emma Morris

Area sales manager at @stuartturner covering the Northwest of England.

1 年

Sounds interesting as always Graham. Some of the factors im going to be studying myself going into 2024

回复

Thanks, Graham,, I suspect it also sizes the headers, My relevant experience is a 3 storey house with 22mm headers and long 15mm tails to rads that we increased in size to get the relevant low temp performance. but the header velocity and head ( and configuration - all buried in concrete) meant that we could not balance the system nor provide the required flow and head to reach all floors. Not a micro bore issue but crass incompetence during the original install the client said that the gas boiler also could not heat all the rooms adequately. in retrospect it was one we should have walked away from... and certainly not fitted a heatpump with a live COP readout!!

回复
Paul Hind

Operations Director at Secon Renewables, Independent specialist supplier to the renewables industry.

1 年

I fitted a 7kw Panasonic to my daughters house all on microbore, changed only 2 radiators, just running on weather comp flow temperature, house all toasty, bills all low.

Deane Flint

Fujitsu General Air Conditioning UK Limited

1 年

My house is microbore and it works perfectly!

要查看或添加评论,请登录

Graham Hendra的更多文章

  • Witchcraft / I'm annoyed I didn't think of this.

    Witchcraft / I'm annoyed I didn't think of this.

    This week I was introduced to a bit of kit is so simple and clever it annoys me. Why didn't I think of this? Air to air…

    22 条评论
  • Does Blogging on Linked-in work?

    Does Blogging on Linked-in work?

    I started writing these blogs on the 3rd Feb 2020 https://www.linkedin.

    37 条评论
  • Screw quiz

    Screw quiz

    I was teaching the other day and it appears my students dont know the difference between the different types of screws…

    22 条评论
  • Is it the compressor or the inverter at fault?

    Is it the compressor or the inverter at fault?

    If you get an error on your air con or heat pump indicating inverter fault / over current etc, (there are loads of…

    5 条评论
  • Frozen heat pump, who pays?

    Frozen heat pump, who pays?

    This week one of my experimental heat pumps split its heat exchanger. "Serves you right you dick, you should have used…

    22 条评论
  • 1/2 price heating

    1/2 price heating

    I've got a heat pump at home, I've had one for years. When I first got one I played around with it a bit to make it…

    18 条评论
  • Low flow, give me strength

    Low flow, give me strength

    Low flow alarms on heat pumps really piss me off. I'm sorry but as soon as a heat pump shows low flow everyone shits…

    38 条评论
  • Open zone, just like the 1970s

    Open zone, just like the 1970s

    At home I have an amazing heat pump from Ideal Heating connected to (and let down by) an open zone heating system. For…

    105 条评论
  • HNY its 2025 the beginning of the era of lower flow rates and smaller pipes.

    HNY its 2025 the beginning of the era of lower flow rates and smaller pipes.

    HNY, welcome back to work, 2025 is going to be a great year for heating technology, there is some really interesting…

    49 条评论
  • Hybrids are back.

    Hybrids are back.

    Hybrids are heating systems where you have a heat pump and a boiler, its a dual fuel solution like a hybrid car. For…

    117 条评论

社区洞察

其他会员也浏览了