If the Kremlin insider wants to save Russia, remove Putin. Disinformation, likely. See, peace talks between USSR , NAZIs before July 1943 before Kursk
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“That underlying uncertainty may have accounted for a significant interlude of diplomacy before the battle was joined. In June, Molotov met Ribbentrop at Kirovograd, which was then within the German lines, for a discussion about the possibilities of ending the war. According to German officers who attended as technical advisers, Ribbentrop proposed as a condition of peace that Russia's future frontier should run along the Dnieper, while Molotov would not consider any thing less than the restoration of her original frontier. The discussion became hung up on the difficulty of bridging such a gap, and was broken off after a report that it had leaked out to the Western powers.”
A source with great experience in the West's relations with the Soviet Union then noted that Washington and London were frequently accused by Soviet propaganda of planning a separate peace with Nazi Germany.
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I heard this too, and it is a warning NOT to listen to alleged "peace talks" as the Russian regimes are unbelievably duplicious
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The secret member of?Vladimir Putin ?’s elite is said to have revealed the Kremlin is in panic and desperate for the bloody war to end.
Astonishing claims about the move were made in a report circulated to Western intelligence agencies.
It is believed senior officers and officials close to Putin are alarmed by biting Western sanctions and the failing economy caused by war.
Some Kremlin figures are also concerned about the increasingly alarming risks being taken such as fighting at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine.
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There really is only one solution. Remove Vladimir PUTIN. The earlier useless "peace talks" should tell you where this is going. The panicked Russian elites can get rid of Putin. Otherwise, this will go NO WHERE
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EXCLUSIVE:?Vladimir Putin's 'panic-stricken' officials in secret bid to end bloody war in Ukraine
Senior officials and members of President Vladimir Putin's elite are said to be "panicking" and want to negotiate in a bid to end the bloody war in Ukraine, experts claim
Russia 'are starting to fail in many areas' says Ben Wallace
ByChris Hughes Defence and Security Editor
A highly placed Kremlin official has secretly approached the West to help end the?Ukraine ?invasion, it was claimed last night.
The secret member of?Vladimir Putin ?’s elite is said to have revealed the Kremlin is in panic and desperate for the bloody war to end.
Astonishing claims about the move were made in a report circulated to Western intelligence agencies.
It is believed senior officers and officials close to Putin are alarmed by biting Western sanctions and the failing economy caused by war.
Some Kremlin figures are also concerned about the increasingly alarming risks being taken such as fighting at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine.
The approach is likely to have been made to CIA contacts or Western diplomats, behind Putin’s back.
The mood in the Kremlin is said to be 'panic' as continuing sanctions invoke fear for Russia's future?(?Image:?REUTERS)
The Daily Mirror understands the leaked “situation report” is being taken seriously by intelligence agencies.
The document says: “A representative of Putin’s inner-circle sent a signal to the West about the desire to negotiate. The mood of the Kremlin elite is panic.”
The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.
One senior official has allegedly approached the West in a bid to start negotiations?(?Image:?AFP via Getty Images)
The insider would be in extreme danger, along with their family, if they were named and Putin has already had several purges, firing military commanders and senior spies.
Some have even disappeared or fallen mysteriously ill.
Last night, a senior Ukrainian diplomatic source told the Daily Mirror:
“If someone close to Putin has made overtures already it would not come as a surprise.
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https://www.nytimes.com/1971/01/04/archives/british-book-says-german-and-soviet-officials-met-in-43-to-discuss.html
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British Book Says German and Soviet Officials Met in ‘43 to Discuss Peace
By Drew Middleton Special to The New York Times
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LONDON, Dec. 24—Did For eign Minister Vyacheslav M. Molotov of the Soviet Union meet Joachim von Ribbentrop, Hitler's Foreign Minister, be hind the German lines in Rus sia early in 1943 to discuss a negotiated peace?
Sir Basil Liddell Hart, one of Britain's most distinguished mil itary historians and theorists, cites as evidence German of ficers who said they had at tended the meeting.
Sir Basil, who died early this year, became the confidant of many senior German officers, including Gen. Heinz Guderian, after World War II. As junior commanders they had adopted the theories of armored war fare propounded by Sir Basil, and he believed that they talked with him with greater freedom than they did with American and British interro gators.
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‘Extreme Sensitivity’
Gen. Sir Kenneth Strong, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower's chief of intelligence from the North African campaign until the end of World War II, said, “I never heard anything about it.” The Earl of Avon, then Sir Anthony Eden and Britain's Foreign Secretary, also said he had never heard about the meeting.
Other sources who did not wish to be named because of their present positions, said they recalled “apprehensions” about a Soviet‐German deal at that period in the war. There was “extreme sensitivity” about the question in govern ment departments, they said.
Sir Basil's amnion, it was generally agreed, raises one of the great “if's” of World War II. Had such negotiations been successfully concluded, an old soldier said, “we'd still be try ing to get across the Channel into Normandy.”
Assessing the Future
The British historian's report appears in his “History of the Second World War,” published in London this fall and scheduled for publication in the United States by G. P. Putnam next April.
The period under discussion is June, 1943, after the Russians had won Stalingrad and the British El Alamein. The American and British forces had driven the Axis forces out of North Africa but, as yet, had no foothold in Continental Europe.
The pertinent paragraphs follow:
“Nevertheless, the extent to which the Germans still held firm in face of such odds was evidence — even before two years’ prolongation of the war confirmed it—that the Russian forces were still a long way from overtaking the German forces’ technical superiority. A consciousness of the professional advantage colored the outlook of both sides in the spring of 1943. It encouraged Hitler, and even his military advisers, in the hope that the scale might still be turned in Germany's favor if the mistakes of the past were avoided. It left a doubt underlying the confidence which the Russian leaders had gained from their winter successes, for they could not forget that the hopes raised by their successes in the previous winter had been dispelled in the summer following. With another summer at hand, they could not feel sure that the issue was certain.
“That underlying uncertainty may have accounted for a significant interlude of diplomacy before the battle was joined. In June, Molotov met Ribbentrop at Kirovograd, which was then within the German lines, for a discussion about the possibilities of ending the war. According to German officers who attended as technical advisers, Ribbentrop proposed as a condition of peace that Russia's future frontier should run along the Dnieper, while Molotov would not consider any thing less than the restoration of her original frontier. The discussion became hung up on the difficulty of bridging such a gap, and was broken off after a report that it had leaked out to the Western powers.”
A source with great experience in the West's relations with the Soviet Union then noted that Washington and London were frequently accused by Soviet propaganda of planning a separate peace with Nazi Germany.
No Trace in the Books
The frequency and virulence of the attacks may have had something to do with the prom ulgation of the doctrine of “un conditional surrender” by Pres ident Roosevelt and Prime Min ister Churchill at the Casa blanca conference early in 1943.
The source noted that later experience had demonstrated that “the Soviets frequently charge others with exactly what they would do or would like to do themselves if the conditions were right.”
A cursory search of the huge literature on the war disclosed no reference to the meeting in history books. However, there is a reference to such a discus sion in “Guard of Honor,” a novel about the Air force written by James Gould Coz zens, a former staff officer, and published in 1948.
Mr. Cozzens's character, Brig. Gen. Joseph J. Josephson, assistant chief of air staff, tells an officer at an air base in Florida that at the recent Que bec conference (the time is the summer of 1943) another Allied intelligence service, evidently the British, laid before the meeting a report concerning discussions between the Ger mans and the Russians on a ne gotiated peace.
The Western Allies, General Josephson adds, don't know if the offer is still open, but he leaves his brother officer to judge the extent of the West's difficulties should the Russians and Germans make peace.
Mr. Cozzens was on the staff of Gen. H. H. Arnold, Chief of the Air Staff, during the war. Both “Guard of Honor” and a recent book, “Morning, Noon and Night,” disclose a high
degree of familiarity with the workings of the air staff.
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Andrew Beckwith, PhD