Invest in bonds for a 2023 recession
The chief investment officer at Northwestern Mutual, Brent Schutte

Invest in bonds for a 2023 recession

The name's Bond — long-dated bond.?That's my attempt to simultaneously lure Daniel Craig as an Opening Bell reader and also preview today's newsletter.

I'm senior reporter Phil Rosen, and below I'm sharing my conversation with Northwestern Mutual's chief investment officer, Brent Schutte.?

He sees the bond market as this year's?best recession hedge.


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Brent Schutte is the chief investment officer at Northwestern Mutual. This conversation has been lightly edited for length and clarity.


Phil Rosen: You said you're expecting a mild and brief recession this year. How should investors position themselves for that landscape?

Brent Schutte:?The good news is that the bond market has?repriced, and the bond market is a hedge against that recession. And so I'm fearful that a lot of investors are kind of hanging out in shorter-term bonds, because they?yield more right now?than longer-term bonds.

But investors have to think about whether they want to earn 4% or 5% on a corporate bond for 10 years, versus renting something for a couple years that will reprice. And who knows where rates are in that time period??

In October last year, Northwestern Mutual pushed?more toward longer-term bonds. We added to our fixed-income to prepare for the narrative shifting from inflation worries to recession worries.


What parts of the stock market look attractive?

BC:?I do think earnings will come down this year, and?cheaper equities?give a margin of safety against that.

We like international stocks. You're going to get a tailwind of a falling currency, and they're?incredibly cheap?relative to their US counterparts. And we like the S&P 600, which is our version of small-caps. It has a high quality bias, it traded at 12 or 13 times earnings.?

People talk about how the market overall is?too expensive?and therefore it must fall, so I think focusing on those cheaper parts of the market are the ones that will continue to do better in 2023.?


If the Fed were to achieve a soft-landing, how do you think it would happen??

BC:?I think the only way you get that vaunted soft landing is if people come back into the labor market, because right now the Fed believes the labor market is?way too tight. The only way to change that is by causing people to lose their jobs, or bringing more people back in.?

The participation rate today is still lower than what it was pre-COVID. There's possibly some people who would come back, but unfortunately?a lot of those people got early retirements.?

The fulcrum point at which you get a?soft landing?would be if you saw labor supply come down.?


Get the full insights from my conversation with Northwestern Mutual's Brent Schutte.


What do you think of Schutte's outlook for bonds?

Let us know in the comments.


And here are the top stories from markets this week:


1. A BlackRock iShares strategist said there is a reckoning coming to investors who don't adjust to a brand new investing playbook.?Karim Chedid is expecting the Fed to hold interest rates above 5% for all of 2023, and in this scenario, she said "Goldilocks doesn't save the day."


2. Paul Krugman said Tesla will never be a "profit machine" like Apple or Microsoft.?The Nobel Prize-winning economist said it's impossible to establish an unchallenged monopoly in the car industry.?Not only that, but he thinks Elon Musk has destroyed his "image of cool" in recent months.


3. Vanguard's global head of portfolio construction explained why the 60/40 portfolio is still your best bet in the long run.?Even after a dismal 2022, the classic portfolio balance predicts upside ahead —?and he also shared the key market areas investors should consider holding right now.


4. "The market is built on a bedrock of total complacency,"?a former top TD Ameritrade technical analyst said. Investors shouldn't be betting on the Fed to shift to dovish policy this year, he said,?but a more likely scenario is for stocks to crash another 20%.?


5. The fraudulent practice of wash trading accounts for 70% of trades on some crypto exchanges, according to a recent study.?It entails firms trading with themselves to boost prices artificially, and could help attract inexperienced investors.?Here's what three experts had to say about the market manipulation practice.


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