Equality: is it possible?
Private and Corporate Utilities : Newsletter 56, by David Lipschitz BSc (Honours) MBA - A consultant working at the intersection of energy and business.
Today’s chat with ChatGPT.?
David:
The French Revolution slogan of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity is a noble goal.?
But enclosure of the commons has continued.?
The playing fields are as uneven as ever with high barriers to entry for the private citizen and SMME.?
Why didn’t the French Revolution bring the equality that the masses sought?
ChatGPT:
The French Revolution was a transformative period that aimed to establish the principles of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. However, the realization of these ideals was not straightforward, and the revolution did not bring about the level of equality that many had hoped for. There are several reasons for this:
In summary, while the French Revolution aimed to promote Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, its failure to achieve complete equality can be attributed to a combination of complex social issues, political instability, economic challenges, external factors, counter-revolutionary forces, radicalization, and the evolution of capitalism.
David:
What do you mean by Capitalism in the context of your argument?
ChatGPT:
In the context of the argument, capitalism refers to an economic system characterized by private ownership of the means of production, competition, and the pursuit of profit. Capitalism emerged during the late 18th and early 19th centuries, coinciding with the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution.
The rise of capitalism played a role in the French Revolution, as it contributed to the socioeconomic changes taking place at the time. In this context, the following aspects of capitalism are relevant:
In summary, capitalism in the context of the argument refers to the economic system that emerged during the late 18th and early 19th centuries, characterized by private ownership, competition, and the pursuit of profit. The rise of capitalism contributed to the complex social and economic landscape of the French Revolution, making it difficult to achieve the complete realization of the ideals of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity.
David:
What does “the means of production” mean or what does it refer to?
ChatGPT:
The "means of production" is a term used in economics and political theory, particularly in Marxist and socialist thought, to describe the physical, non-human resources used in the process of producing goods and services. These resources can be categorized into two main groups:
In a capitalist economic system, the means of production are predominantly privately owned by individuals or corporations, who use them to generate profits. Workers, who do not own the means of production, are paid wages in exchange for their labor, which is used in conjunction with the means of production to create goods and services.
The concept of the means of production is central to Marxist theory, which argues that the ownership and control of these resources are a key determinant of social and economic relations. According to Marxism, the class struggle between those who own the means of production (the bourgeoisie) and those who do not (the proletariat) is a driving force behind historical development and social change.
David:
So owning the means of production is good in capitalism but bad in Marxism?
ChatGPT:
The difference in perspective on owning the means of production in capitalism and Marxism primarily lies in the contrasting views on the implications of private ownership and the associated social and economic outcomes.
In capitalism, private ownership of the means of production is considered beneficial because it:
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However, in Marxism, private ownership of the means of production is seen as problematic because it:
In summary, owning the means of production is considered good in capitalism because it promotes innovation, efficient resource allocation, and personal freedom. In contrast, Marxism views private ownership of the means of production as a source of exploitation, class struggle, and alienation. Instead, Marxists advocate for the collective ownership of the means of production, in which resources and wealth are shared more equitably among the members of society.
David:
Marxism is a noble goal but hasn’t it led to power that was under the control of the people, eg using their pension fund investments and shareholdings and shareholder activism, being moved into the hands of government, which is meant to represent the masses and the proletariat, but which in reality takes rents and bribes making their lives easier and further enclosing the commons and moving the people further away from owning the means of production?
This is possibly known as the law of unintended consequences.?
ChatGPT:
You raise a valid point about the unintended consequences that can arise from the implementation of Marxist-inspired policies. While Marxism's core principles aim to create a more equitable society with collective ownership of the means of production, historical attempts to put these ideas into practice have often led to various issues, including the concentration of power in the hands of the state or a ruling elite.
Some reasons for these unintended consequences include:
It is important to note that Marxism as a theory and the practical implementation of Marxist policies in various historical contexts are not the same. The problems and unintended consequences that have arisen in some cases do not necessarily invalidate the core principles of Marxism or the potential for alternative approaches to achieving a more equitable society. However, these historical examples serve as a reminder that the path to achieving the goals of Marxism can be fraught with challenges and unintended consequences, and that careful consideration is needed when designing and implementing policies inspired by Marxist principles.
David:
Let’s go back to our initial themes of inequality and enclosure.?
The Royal Charter was created a thousand years ago to give validity to an educational institution or a chartered society, for example a building association or an engineering group, which operated under a license which confered authority and “authenticity” on the group receiving the Authorization.?
Later during the Industrial Revolution, the modern schooling system was created with 12 years at school, possibly followed by 3 to 6 years of tertiary education, perhaps followed by 3 years of apprenticeship, followed by a structured career.?
This led to further enclosure as “educated” people had more access, and whilst the state tried to give everyone an equal education, it failed possibly because of small class sizes in the elite schools and highly educated and experienced teachers in the elite schools.?
Education is vital. But many people have latent talent, or they can do things they were never formally taught.?
Taking this in conjunction with decentralization and the proletariat finally being able to own the means of production, isn’t there now a possibility of everyone becoming equal?
ChatGPT:
It is true that education has played a significant role in shaping the opportunities available to individuals and has often perpetuated inequality throughout history. The traditional education system and the Royal Charter you mentioned have, in many instances, contributed to the concentration of knowledge and resources among a privileged few.
In the modern era, however, advances in technology, communication, and the democratization of knowledge have opened new avenues for people to access education and opportunities. The decentralization of information and the ability for individuals to own the means of production have indeed created possibilities for greater equality. Some factors contributing to this change include:
While these developments offer promising opportunities for greater equality, it is important to recognize that significant challenges remain. Access to quality education, technology, and resources is still unequal across different regions and socioeconomic groups. Additionally, systemic issues such as discrimination, poverty, and social norms can continue to perpetuate inequality.
The potential for everyone to become equal is an ambitious goal, and progress is being made in various areas. However, it requires continuous efforts to address existing disparities, promote inclusivity, and ensure that everyone has the opportunity to realize their full potential.
David:
I agree.?
ChatGPT:
I'm glad that you found the points raised in the discussion agreeable. It's important to acknowledge the complexities and challenges involved in addressing inequality and promoting equal opportunities for everyone. Progress has been made in many areas, but there is still much work to be done to ensure a more equitable future.
If you have any more questions or would like to explore other topics, please feel free to ask.
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