The economics of open source vs closed source in AI

The economics of open source vs closed source in AI

Is Hugging Face the Levi Strauss of the AI Gold Rush?

The FarmRobo iMog multipurpose electric robot for small holder farms wins the Ag Robot of the Year 2025 award. The iMog is capable of performing a wide array of agricultural tasks and is compatible with various implements. (via World FIRA and Future Farming)

Which is better - open or closed source

Clearly there’s a lot of ‘it depends’ here. And we can all have personal preferences, however I’m rethinking my position on open source and closed source. A lot of robotics companies build on open source foundations but close their final products.

Leading me to the conclusion that open source is great for the ecosystem but not so great for individual companies due to ongoing competition and lack of moats, potentially also issues around liability and reliability or at least certification.

However second and third order effects, particularly if your company has achieved some size can make open source far more attractive. Meta cites the economies of scale, process power (the seven powers) and creating a standardized supply chain for the reasons behind their open source support. Basically, the ecosystem creates a competitive good for a large company. And presumably there is trickle down effects for smaller companies, but don’t end up with two monoliths? Apple vs Android, Llama vs OpenAI and Anthropic.

What is the marketplace impact of not just Deep Seek, but more smaller cheaper models? And is Hugging Face ultimately the winner, providing the picks and shovels for the AI gold rush? Love to hear your thoughts on this.


In case you missed it, Forbes Finance Council mentions a couple of new robotics unicorns from Q4 2024:

Nimble Robotics: This robotics company is revolutionizing order fulfillment with AI-powered robots capable of picking and packing items with unmatched efficiency. After raising $106 million, the company reached a valuation of $1 billion, positioning itself as a leader in logistics automation.

Physical Intelligence: With a groundbreaking focus on robotics brains, this startup raised $400 million, pushing its valuation to $2 billion. Its technology enables machines to adapt to complex real-world environments, opening new possibilities in automation and industrial applications.

Meanwhile Robotics Roundup from FPrime Capital lists January’s robotics fundings - and thanks for recommending Robots&Startups to your readers!


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Hey roboticists!

Urban Machines are selling their old picker cell at auction, and are willing to take a bargain basement offer on it so that you can harvest it for parts. It has like 26 clearpath servos in there each worth about $500. Probably 15-20k worth of parts total. So lots of valuable components for someone willing to take it apart. Here's a link: https://svdisposition.hibid.com/lot/225906731/nail-picking-machine

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Robot Talk Episode 108 - Giving robots the sense of touch, with Anurdha Ranasinghe - Robot Talk Podcast on Robohub


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Robotics News

NASA’s Astrobee gets tentacle fingers - Interesting Engineering

A framework for soft mechanism driven robots - Nature

Perseverance Mars rover finds ‘one-of-a-kind treasure’ on Red Planet’s Silver Mountain - Space.com

SF’s robot manicurists are no more - SF Standard

GM lays off half of Cruise after killing robotaxi business - SF Standard

Uber CEO says the company is ‘well-positioned’ on autonomous vehicles - but gains are still a long way off - Fortune

Amazon’s robots could help it save $10 billion a year by 2030, Morgan Stanley analysts say - Business Insider

Honeywell, one of the few reamining US industrial conglomerates, will split into three companies - AP

NASA’s powerful moon mining robot could dig 10,000 kg of soil in a single lunar day - Interesting Engineering

After a wrenching decision by NASA, private lunar lander finds a new customer - ArsTechnica

Can Delivery Robots Solve Last-Mile Logistics Issues? - PYMNTS

Monarch’s dairy tractor rolls out autonomous feed pushing - Dairy Herd Management

Autonomous robot takes computers apart to tackle growing e-waste problem - Institution of Mechanical Engineers

When Self-Driving Actually Works: Inside Honda’s Fleet of Autonomous Factory Robots - The Drive

BYD Shares Rise Sharply Amid Mass-Market Autonomous-Driving Tech Hopes - WSJ

Talking, teaching, and even recognizing dogs: Meet Redwood Shores’ lifelike robots - RWC Pulse

Why am I so sad about seeing a robot get beat up? - The Guardian

Houston humanoid robotics startup secures millions in pre-seed funding - Innovation Map

SAEKI, ETH Zurich Startup Raises $6.7M to Improve Large-Scale 3D Printing - StartupHub.ai

The city of Hangzhou is emerging as the heart of China’s AI and robotics - KR Maeil

MIT Discovers AI Training Paradox That Could Boost Robot Intelligence - PYMNTS

Physical Intelligence open-sources Pi0 robotics foundation model - The Robot Report

Google opens Gemini 2.0, its most powerful AI model, to everyone - CNBC

Machine-learning pioneer Yann LeCun on why “a new revolution in AI” is coming - The Economist

Hugging Face brings ‘Pi-Zero’ to LeRobot, making AI-powered robots easier to build and deploy - VentureBeat

Figure AI: Robot startup terminates partnership with OpenAI, relies on its own LLMs - Trending Topics

OpenAI eyes the wearables business: Robots, headsets, watches and a whole lot more - ZDNet

Meta is studying how humans and robots can collaborate on housework - TechCrunch

This Pixar-style dancing lamp hints at Apple’s future home robot - The Verge

ELEGNT: Expressive and Functional Movement Design for Non-Anthropomorphic Robot - Apple Machine Learning Research



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Here are some of the shout outs from our Open Mic - people hiring, funding, providing services or looking for same. Big thanks to our hosts at Circuit Launch and Silicon Valley Robotics and our food and drink sponsors at Smait.ai and Jiga.io and Odyssey Ventures

Smait or Smart Machine Artificial Intelligence Technology develops service robots with cutting-edge AI technology to enhance operational efficiency and customer experience.

Jiga.io helps you source high-quality, cost-competitive custom parts faster by partnering directly with vetted manufacturers.

Odyssey Ventures provides you with scale-up capital and support for the most ambitious founders in Climate, BioTech, and AI Infrastructure.

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Bots&Beer at Circuit Launch Mountain View Feb 5th 2025
Bots&Beer at Circuit Launch Mountain View Feb 5th 2025


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