Discoveries In Hydrogen Fuel Production/Energy Observer Discussion

Kemp - " Just use oil. Hydrogen is a waste of energy. Oil is biotic, gas is biotic, if hydrogen was available to use as energy, we would be using it. Making a completely ineffective fuel effective, means that we are divesting from already effective fuel being made even more efficient."

Car - " ?Oil has and is poisoning the earth. Petroleum and practically all its combustion products are toxic to humans and living organisms. That's the main reason to stop using it. Nikola Tesla stated that if we continue to combust petroleum, the?world would be poisoned within 100 years. That's where we are today. Hydrogen is significantly cleaner with water and heat as the combustion products. It is also a solution to storage, making interruptible renewables like solar and wind non-interruptible by storing electrical power until needed, like during peak demand. And as far as efficiency, the gasoline/diesel combustion engine has a maximum efficiency of less than 40%, the electric motor has an efficiency of over 85%. "

Kemp - " For Pete's sake grow some dignity. Co2 is life. Carbon is life. If you can't understand photosynthesis, why even pretend to give a darn about complicated hypotheses such as the electric universe theory. Speaking in absolutes is your dead giveaway... I'd work on that first and foremost. Oil is biotic. Methane is biotic. These are renewable fuels. The atmosphere is devoid of Co2 by historical standards, and natural Variability has well and truly been quantified, if you were actually paying attention."

Car - " ?I never mentioned carbon as a pollutant. My statement has nothing to do with carbon. I'm a biochemist by degree and have been a scientist all of my career, so I believe I know a little about chemicals and their effects on organisms. I?speak in absolutes since some things are, like chemical reactions their products and their effects on living organisms. Again, I will state that Petroleum and practically all its combustion products are toxic to humans and living organisms. It appears it is you that is not paying attention. And for your info, I have been a proponent of the EU Theory for well over a decade. Why, because it makes sense and represents a more realistic model of cosmology and physics. Just the way ending combustion of fossil fuels also makes sense. And hydrogen is a factor and has a role to play in transitioning away from fossil fuels."

Kemp - " Go read your first comment again regardless of how much time you wasted in academia, you are not a scientist when you fail to use the scientific method. Go kid someone else."

Car - " ?I have no reason to kid anybody. I stand on what've I stated. "

Jan - " Shit is toxic to humans. yet we produce it. shouldn't we stop producing shit then? It pollutes the planet. or have you heard shit makes plants grow better? "

Car - " Most shit comes from people that are ignorant, arrogant, or both. Combustion of fossil fuels causes chemical emissions that are carcinogenic like VOCs, heavy metal neurotoxins like mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic as well as sulfur and?nitrogen dioxides that cause acid rain, along with particulates that cause respiratory illness particularly in children, not to mention radioactive uranium and thorium. These are toxic chemicals that are emitted into the atmosphere by the tons every year that we breath in, and then with precipitation fall onto the soil and water. These are the toxic combustion products of fossil fuels."

Timothy West Then change the politics, not the advancement in technologies. What resources and labor have we used to create and sustain the combustion engine technologies? The extraction, refining, transportation, and combustion of fossil fuels has,?and continues to degrade our global ecosystems and the physiological health of humans and all other species. The problems you note are not comparable in global impact. How ironic that some that claim that the universe is Electromagnetic, defend the continuation of fossil fuel combustion when there is energy all around us, including in the fabric of space itself. If humanity survives, the near future world will inexorably be an EM civilization. "

Fran - " As a self-proclaimed biochemist, I am sure you are aware that the combustion products of natural gas are simply CO2 and H2O. Doesn't sound very toxic to me considering that CO2 was once in the air before, its also renewable as it is then?taken up by plants again (thanks to photosynthesis) to start the cycle of +4 carbon back to -4 oxidation state. If anything, -4 to +4 carbon is natures battery. What you are referring to is burning coal mostly, and yes, that is toxic. Simply lumping them all into "fossil fuels" is misguided. Also, if we simply invested nearly as much money into air purification at the coal plants to collect all the heavy metals and other toxic by products, as we are investing in CO2 capture, this becomes a moot problem. Unfortunately this is not happening as the world is under-going a great reset, and the energy - "climate crisis" is simply the patsy for the great reset agenda to take place. Exhibit A would be Europe this winter. "

Geo - " ?Hydrogen has more BTUs per pound mass than any hydrocarbon. It produces water when burned. The most practical and efficient form to use in transportation is NH3, ammonia. NH3 can be burned in ICEs, fuel cells and even turbines. NH3 has a?higher H2 density than either cryogenic (liquid) or high pressure H2. NH3 is safe to handle and use. It is routinely piped across the USA and the world more than any other chemical including petroleum products. LFTR Grid, NH3 Transportation. The only clean and practical solution. Use wind and solar farm to produce NH3 and eliminate the down-time/battery problem along with transmission losses and environmental damage."

Kemp - " ?If only you could make it, store it and deliver it, without using more energy than you end up with... It is a Globo-homo climate cult grift. Interesting that I am debating with non members,?"

Geo - " You can. It is not corn ethanol! "

Kemp - " ?I remember hearing a this during the GWB administration. Let's see in another 20 years. In the meantime.. we have oil."

Geo - " GWB most definitely never mentioned ammonia based hydrogen fuel."

Fran - " ?Using solar and wind to create NH3 to minimize "environmental damage" is quite the oxymoron. I am not quite sure you understand the process to mine the raw materials and then produce a solar panel or wind turbine...Not to mention at the?end of their lifespan, they go into a landfill since we currently can not recycle them. Yet somehow they are called "renewables"... how ironic. "

Chad - " ?Its an Abiotic fluid.... Not from dinosaurs.....Its the lubricant the tectonic plates slip around on...Rockefellers made it appear biotic in the late 1800's so they could synthesize medicine and gas from it... "

Rhys - " The empty wells refill. The bit you get right, is the history and science is manipulated and obscure. "

Chad - " Of course they do, the earth is producing the fluid.... Its so obscured most have no idea which way is up. "

Edru - " Agree with the point of CO2, but is better use water like a source for produce hydrogen using electrolysis and electrical energy instead use oil... Is cleaner in my opinion..."

Ther - " Yes but the greenies/loony left love all this stuff regardless of how much other energy it takes like stupid electric vehicles, charged from the grid but they seem to think it comes out of thin air!!! " The mentality is beyond moronic, so trees, which produce CO2 should all be cut down then??? But only CO2 produced by humans is bad LMAO "

Jan - " My comment talks about your fear of biology. Greta Thunberg talks a lot of bullshit, too. Afraid of her own breath."

Car - " You miss the point completely, and twist what I've stated to your logic. And she is courageous and right in fighting for the health of the earth and the human race. Those that are blind to facts call them BS since they cannot accept?reality when it interferes with their life style and beliefs. Just proves that education is not related to wisdom. "

Fran - " ?Greta is a paid shill. Look into who her parents are, and what organizations her parents are a part of and what the stated goal of those organizations are. "

Jan - " The fact is that even your own body produces toxic substances."

Car - " Yes and you naturally get rid of them or do what you have to get rid of the toxins. You don't say yeah but that will interfere with my lifestyle so I'll just ignore it. But then I guess that is the stance of most people who don't?want to do the heavy lifting it takes to resolve issues that are negatively impacting on their lives."

Jan - " ?You know shit about my life, but you need to insult it."

Car - " ?Actually I never attacked you personally, I just stated facts then you attacked me personally saying I despise nature and fear biology. I have no intention of attacking you personally, but please stick to the subject of the toxic?emissions of fossil fuel combustion. Excretion has nothing to do with it."

Jan - " Fossil" fuel regrows, its like the blood of the earth. of course we cannot drain earths blood endlessly, but if you haven't noticed that the oil fields are refilling, you've been living behind the moon..."

Car - " It's about toxic coal and petroleum and their combustion products that have and are poisoning the earth and humanity. We must stop using these substances if we want to continue to live on the planet healthfully. That's it, nothing?more than that fact. As proponents of the EU Theory we believe that EM will provide our energy demand, that's what Safire is researching. Presently we are transitioning toward that power source. Alternative energy technologies, including hydrogen are assisting us in doing do. They are not perfect but have a key role in moving us toward the ultimate clean endless power source that Tesla talked about that we know will fulfill our needs. After all, it is an electric universe."

Jan - " Agreed on energy transition being good. However "fossil" fuel is not 100 % as evil as you say. You drain other energies and you believe that's free or poison free... Nope. "

Car - " Well you have the right to believe what you want. I will stick with eliminating or minimizing known chemical combustion products and their toxicity to humans and other species. By the way, I love your astral-photos. I always?wanted to be an astronomer, but having a family to support while I was in college put a damper on that since I needed to get a PhD in Astrophysics to play a significant role in the field. So I went for my second choice of Biochemistry, even though my career has been varied in the fields of Chemistry, Materials Science and Alternative Energy. Astrophysics is still my passion."

Jan - " We shouldn't drink blood. But if we harvest other energy it's gonna take effect, too. Don't think in atoms too much. E=M."

Sol - " Earth is basically an Giant Hydrogen Bobble once onboard electrolysis is perfected using PV/ Conductive Asphalt a new game is afloat."

Abra - " Not really the subject of the group. I decided not to invest in hydrogen because there are too many fundamental problems. It cannot really be contained. It permeates everything making things fall apart necessitating continually replacement of?equipment. It can be extremely dangerous. The density isn't there making the containers larger and more expensive. The efficiency is still not the best and far from idea. I like things that last forever. I will let someone else spend their resources developing hydrogen, I will go for the low hanging fruit. "