Conversation Isn't Just Waiting Politely to Speak
PHIL FRIEDMAN?
Social Media Marketer - Marine Industry Consultant - Writer/Editor - YachtbuildAdvisor.com - 88K+ total SM subscribers and followers - 1,600+ Published Articles
Genuine Engagement Involves More Than
Good Social Media Manners
There is a lot of talk these days about Internet "trolls" — people who supposedly cause discord on social media platforms by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic comments in discussion threads.
But while obviously such persons do exist, and while they do sometimes cause distress and disruption, they are nowhere near as prevalent or troublesome as they are made out to be. In fact, the term "troll" has, I suggest, been co-opted by a corps of self-styled social media fascists who apparently would like nothing better than to eliminate any semblance of genuine intellectual engagement.
The goal at times appears to be to squelch all forms of questioning and critical discussion...
Okay, okay, so maybe I am employing some degree of hyperbole, but I want to gain your attention for this critical point:
Simply questioning the validity of, or disagreeing with someone's statement or thesis is NOT, ipso facto, acting like a troll...
It's all a matter of how you take exception to what someone else says or writes. The defining characteristic of trolls is their propensity to ad hominem attack, that is, remarks directed at the person speaking or the author who is publishing. Remarks such as, "What a mindless dolt you are..." Or such as, "Get your head out of your arse..." Colorful as these expressions may be, and perhaps as accurate as they may be at times, they do not address the validity of a statement, thesis, viewpoint, or other expression of thought or ideas. And they clearly do not add anything to the "conversation". So understand, if you will, that I am not in any way defending such behavior, online or off.
However, as many times as I've observed troll-ish behavior, I have just as many, or more times read on social media that, "If you can't say anything good about someone's post, then do not comment at all, just move on." Rubbish and poppycock!
This is the same mentality which holds that every kid who shows up for an athletic or other competition should go home with an award ribb0n...
This mentality is what is driving social media in general, and LinkedIn in particular, toward becoming intellectually arid landscapes of point-and-click likes, shallow generic comments, and meaningless mutual ego stroking. It is what is driving the evolution of interfacing on major social media into becoming the literary and intellectual equivalent of Muzak.
Refusal to allow for civil and polite disagreement and argument leads to what I have come to call 'Insipidipity'...
Without examination, questioning and, yes, disagreement, there can be no genuine engagement. For what is engagement other than two or more minds coming together to share, explore, and exchange thoughts and ideas? And without genuine engagement, there is only insipidipity — the state or property of being shallow, lifeless, colorless, dull, meaningless, and the like, however much we may delude ourselves into believing otherwise.
There are those who believe (erroneously) that "argument" is synonymous with agitated conflict. But as every philosopher, logician, and mathematician understands, it is not. Argument is discussion between persons holding differing views. Argument is what one adduces in support of one's thesis or position. We can engage in argument, and we can argue, without acting in any way like trolls. A maxim that applies to business leadership management, as much as to writing and publishing.
Trolls are a sub-class of debaters, who care not a whit for truth or validity, but only about scoring (in their minds) points, and about being (again, in their minds) noticed. We should not, however, be confused by social media fascists, who, for their part, fail to distinguish between debate and discussion, or between strutting fisticuffs and intellectual engagement.
Rational argument is not the same thing as debate...
Philosophers dating back to Socrates and Plato distinguish between philosophical argument and sophistry. The Greek Sophists of Plato's day were debaters, known for, and proud of their ability to "make the worse case appear the better." That is what debating is all about. Indeed, in formal debating competitions, participants are not allowed to choose their side of a topic, but rather have a pro or con position assigned to them, or determined by drawing straws or chits from a hat. The core element of debate is the application of the skills of persuasion, not a burning desire to search for truth or reality. Does that perhaps sounds like any barristers, politicians, public relations spinmeisters, or marketing gurus you know of?
Notwithstanding whether we agree or not about these folk and trolls being sub-classes of debaters or sophists, I urge you to recognize that engaging in a rational search for a truth about some thought or idea (however mundane or minimal in terms of global impact) is not acting like a troll. Not by any commonly accepted meaning of the term. Questioning is not troll-ish behavior. Nor is disagreeing, per se. Nor arguing, if one sticks to a considered and proper definition of "argument". Quite to the contrary, questioning, disagreeing, and arguing are integral facets of genuine engagement.
Genuine engagement involves caring about one's ideas, thoughts, and opinions... and about those of others...
Almost without saying, serious intellectual engagement — even concerning relatively trivial matters — requires effort. Effort to think issues through. Effort to be rational and logical. Effort to restrain oneself from making the quick quip or taking the cheap shot. So much effort that I myself, a miscreant academically-trained and degreed philosopher, fail now and again to resist the temptation to debate, rather than argue. Or to take a cheap shot, especially when accosted by a troll or a social media fascist — two polar extremes that actually look and behave very much like one another.
Some people are simply not suited to climbing mountains or sailing across oceans...nor do we expect them to...
In order to write and publish, especially on a social media platform such as LinkedIn, you really need to have a thick skin. Because when you publish, your thoughts, ideas, inspirations, and opinions are subject to scrutiny by others, sometimes by thousands of others, and occasionally by hundreds of thousands of others. And that can be a harrowing experience. But just as we don't, or ought not to create artificial dwarf hills and call them mountains so that the timid among us can consider themselves mountain climbers, we should not, and are not obligated to create a "gentle" environment for those who lack the strength of their convictions — some might say brazen ego — to defend their views in public. If you can't stand up to scrutiny and genuine engagement, with people questioning and disagreeing with your expressed views and ideas, then just don't publish. Don't fret about it. Don't be self accusatory about it. But also don't whine about it. Above all, don't expect those who value genuine intellectual engagement and growth to tippy toe around your sensitive feelings and fragile personality.
I am sorry if this seems harsh, for it is not so intended. But I am old enough, and experienced enough to understand that we don't actually help our children to grow or develop the life skills they desperately need by giving them prize ribbons for just showing up at competitions. In a similar vein, I suggest to you that we don't do anyone any real favor by treating each other with intellectual kid gloves. To be sure, we don't need to be unkind to one another in order to genuinely engage. But we do need to question civilly , disagree respectfully, argue rationally, and seek truths (however mundane). None of which makes us in any reasonable stretch of imagination trolls. — Phil Friedman
Author's Note: Whether you agree or disagree with what I've said here, you are welcome to post your comments, questions, and criticisms in the comments thread for this article. Your remarks will be welcomed, treated with respect, and answered.
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About me, Phil Friedman: With 30 some years background in the marine industry, I've worn numerous hats — as a yacht designer, boatbuilder, marine operations and business manager, marine industry consultant, marine marketing and communications specialist, boating magazine writer and editor, yacht surveyor, and marine industry educator. I am also trained and experienced in interest-based negotiation and mediation. In a previous life, I taught logic and philosophy at university.
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2 年Great article which I fully agree with!
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4 年Love your post PHIL FRIEDMAN ? I love a good discussion and I am always open for one. As you mentioned, I quote "I urge you to recognize that engaging in a rational search for a truth about some thought or idea (however mundane or minimal in terms of global impact) is?not?acting like a troll. Not by any commonly accepted meaning of the term. Questioning is not troll-ish behavior. Nor is disagreeing, per se. Nor arguing, if one sticks to a considered and proper definition of "argument". Quite to the contrary, questioning, disagreeing, and arguing are?integral facets of genuine engagement." I joined LinkedIn only few months ago. I was advised to actively market for my coaching business here. I was very dismayed when I saw all the marketing I saw, especially from coaches (as you mentioned on my post), who are selling words and have nothing to back it up. I had a strong aversion to following the wagon. I wanted to reach my clients in an authentic way which represents my person and builds trust. while searching for my authentic way, I spent my time engaging different posts. That is how we met and I thank you for questioning me. Because it made me actively think and engage. Speaking of trolls, I had my share of one and his propensity to ad hominem attack today. It is a stressful experience, but thick skin is what we need against them, as you mentioned. Thanks for sharing your article link again :)
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5 年Thank you Phil for your wisdom on conversation, reason & civility ~? "A word aptly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver." ~Proverbs 25
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8 年Damn PHIL FRIEDMAN you managed to get ipso facto, ad hominem and sophistry in the same piece and in the correct usage. Very impressed. On a more serious not, could not agree more about our growing community of precious pundits who can't tolerate a dissenting view.
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8 年I have no time or patience for trolls. Block, delete, meh, ????