The COBie Conundrum

The COBie Conundrum

I know my posts on LinkedIn cover a very broad range of subjects. You can only imagine what is going through my head every day. However, all my thoughts have the same driver; which is to improve the outcomes and impact of building, ultimately reduce carbon and create inspiring places. That is quite an aspiration.

This week’s thoughts have been around COBie, which may not be considered the most exciting subject and not something I would normally have an opinion on - but bear with me.

I know I’m stepping into dangerous territory as there are many passionate about this area and know a lot more than I do. It also is an area which really gets people mobilized.

My thoughts on all this BIM stuff is that anything we do has to start with ‘why?’ We need to understand the issues and talk to our clients about their issues. We must not fall into the trap of doing things just because they are ‘clever’ or ‘interesting.’

This week I have been drawn into a few issues regarding COBie workbooks with clients. They have had issues with accuracy and how they can view models. During this period, the issues with COBie at a client level have become apparent.

Firstly, it’s great that clients are now recognizing the value of detailed digital information relating to their assets. This is huge progress. However, they are now identifying the shortcomings of the current approach.

I am a big fan of COBie as it has allowed us to structure and align data. When you look at other countries, the lack of this framework has held them back. I’m sure there will be far more sophisticated database technology in the future however, in the meantime, how we do things is generally ahead of others.

The issue is terminology and spreadsheets.

I think some in the sector believe COBie is an Excel spreadsheet. From my experience, the spreadsheet is the issue. Because everyone is familiar with spreadsheets, they are comfortable to input data manually. This human aspect is where things can go wrong. On a recent project, the workbook had been filtered and it sent the data all over the place which frustrated the client as they wanted to cut and paste the room names.

I believe that the best way to do it is to model using the COBie schema and the data should then be kept up-to-date in the model.

Excel is the method of transferring this data to somewhere else. I would suggest that it should never be touched and any change to the data must be able to sync back into the initial model, otherwise we lose the important golden thread.

The syncing of data back into the model seems to be the challenge. It can be done but it is laborious. The default seems to be to ignore the model and populate the spreadsheet to tick the EIR box but how much use is this?

Because everyone is familiar with Excel, they are comfortable to make changes themselves. This breaks links and effectively creates two conflicting databases: the model and the spreadsheet - which one do you keep up-to-date?

Most EIRs request a COBie deliverable which is typically delivered in a spreadsheet . Do we know why?

I can hear everyone shouting to transfer data. I’m very keen to hear examples of where the data has been transferred. I know there are CAFM examples but are there others and how easy and effective has this transfer been?

We seem to have become hooked on delivering Excel spreadsheets filled with COBie without really standing back to think whether this is the best use of our time.

Some companies have developed whole platforms to help fill in this data so that it can be pushed out as a spreadsheet.

Having spoken to quite a few clients this week, what they want is a 3D representation of their building with data accessible at an object level. Nobody I’ve spoken to has found a use for the COBie Excel spreadsheet - apart from the person who wanted the room names transferred into their asset management platform. It seems to be a very complex and expensive way to populate a CAFM system .

The challenge is to ensure the data in a model is accurate and up-to-date. If we are collecting data, it must be pushed into the model and if it has to be transferred, don’t touch the spreadsheet. If you do touch the spreadsheet, make sure it maintains a relationship to link back to the model.

I have now lit the touch paper, I’m sure there will be a lot of response but I’m genuinely keen to gather opinions and hear how my thinking might be wrong. I can then go back to my clients and explain what to do with all of these Excel spreadsheets.

Rob Charlton

CEO Space Group

5 年

Thanks everyone for your responses, hopefully there will be more. I wasn’t trying to be provocative here I was genuinely looking for feedback from people in the industry. I am still looking for examples of where the spreadsheets have been used. Up to now we have it being used 6 times by John Ford to move data into CAFM systems. Are there any more?

Fernando Morales Tosar

Arquitecto | BIM & DigitalTwin Innovation Manager | CEO POWERBIM - BIG Data Analytics para edificios, infraestructuras y ciudades mas inteligentes y sostenibles.

5 年

This is one if the reasons why we have created #POWERBIM. To not reduce the data to an Excel file or just a file. One of the advantages of BIM is to link data with virtual components. So the goal is to make It simple and if posible to link virtual assets with real ones. Congrats for the article.

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Nivin Nabeel

Customer Success Manager - Americas at Ideate Software

5 年

It's good to minimize asset data for FM to a list that is truly being utilized by the client. Maybe the client can develop their own parameters to be injected into the model that can later be transferred. Otherwise it's a waste of time. Also would totally take this out of the design model into a fabrication / trades model.. The use of BIM for maintenance is in very initial phases of industry adoption. But holds the promise of efficiently helping the construction firms while minimizing the cost. This could later be a joint effort, but for now we got to start somewhere.

Alex Mason

Partner at Method Consulting

5 年

So many interesting comments here. John Ford makes some good points. As does Bill East. But the mandate on government schemes over £5m is about getting industry to learn to walk before it runs. Although typically never fully used it's to force everyone to start to educate themselves. Industry has to start somewhere right?

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Kevin Fielding

Digital Transformation Specialist | Technology Integrator

5 年

I agree, data should only be added to the model if it is necessary, otherwise we are only injecting waste into the process. How many times is COBie specified and delivered and not used. This asset data over and above the design team generated data could quite easily sit within a dedicated external database rather than a model as it is in many cases.

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