ChatGPT AI admits mistakes and is ready to learn - more than some people

In a previous post (?https://www.dhirubhai.net/pulse/engineering-ai-real-ben-yaakov-shmuel-sam-/) I have written about a first expression experience with ChatGPT as a knowledge source of power electronics. Here is an additional installment which shows mistake correction and learning.

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Sam:?Is the air gap length in ferrite core of inductor dependent on the core cross section area?

?ChatGPT:?The air gap length in a ferrite core inductor is typically not dependent on the core cross section area. Instead, the air gap length is typically chosen based on the desired inductance value and the material properties of the ferrite core.

In general, increasing the air gap length in a ferrite core inductor will decrease the inductance, while decreasing the air gap length will increase the inductance. The material properties of the ferrite core, such as its permeability and core loss, also play a role in determining the inductance.

It is worth noting that the overall size of the inductor, including the core cross section area, will affect the inductance to some extent, but the primary factor is typically the air gap length.


?Sam:?For a fixed inductance, is the air gap length in ferrite core of an inductor depend on the core cross section area?

ChatGPT:?For a fixed inductance, the air gap length in a ferrite core inductor is generally not dependent on the core cross section area. The primary factor that determines the air gap length in this case is the material properties of the ferrite core and the desired inductance value.

As mentioned earlier, the air gap length in a ferrite core inductor plays a key role in determining the inductance. Increasing the air gap length will generally decrease the inductance, while decreasing the air gap length will increase the inductance. The material properties of the ferrite core, such as its permeability and core loss, also play a role in determining the inductance.

It is worth noting that the overall size of the inductor, including the core cross section area, can affect the inductance to some extent, but the primary factor is typically the air gap length.

Sam:?For a fixed inductance and magnetic flux density, but with variable number of turns, is the air gap length in ferrite core of an inductor depend on the core cross section area?

ChatGPT:?For a fixed inductance and magnetic flux density, but with a variable number of turns, the air gap length in a ferrite core inductor is still generally not dependent on the core cross section area. The primary factor that determines the air gap length in this case is still the material properties of the ferrite core and the desired inductance value.

Increasing the number of turns in the inductor will increase the inductance, but this can be compensated for by decreasing the air gap length or using a ferrite core with higher permeability. The magnetic flux density will also affect the inductance, but the primary factor in determining the air gap length is still the material properties of the ferrite core and the desired inductance value.

It is worth noting that the overall size of the inductor, including the core cross section area, can affect the inductance to some extent, but the primary factor is typically the air gap length.

Sam:?This is a wrong answer. For a given magnetic flux density and energy the volume of the gap is about constant. So if you change the length of air gap you need to change the core cross section area to keep the volume constant.

ChatGPT:?I apologize for any confusion in my previous responses. You are correct that for a given magnetic flux density and energy, the volume of the air gap in a ferrite core inductor will be approximately constant. This means that if you change the air gap length, you will need to adjust the core cross section area in order to keep the volume constant and maintain a consistent magnetic flux density and energy.

To summarize, for a fixed inductance and magnetic flux density, the air gap length in a ferrite core inductor is dependent on the core cross section area in order to maintain a consistent volume of the air gap. The material properties of the ferrite core and the desired inductance value are still important factors in determining the air gap length, but the core cross section area must also be taken into account in order to maintain a constant volume of the air gap.

Sam: Thank you for the clarification

ChatGPT: You're welcome! I'm glad I could help clarify this for you. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask. I'm here to help.

Sam: What is the definition of "inductance" in physics?

ChatGPT: In physics, inductance is a measure of the ability of an electrical circuit to store energy in the form of a magnetic field. It is defined as the ratio of the induced electromotive force (emf) in a conductor to the rate of change of the current that causes it.

Inductance has the unit of henries (H), named after the American scientist Joseph Henry. The induced emf in a conductor is proportional to the rate of change of the current through it, and is given by the formula:

induced emf = -L * dI/dt

where L is the inductance of the circuit, dI/dt is the rate of change of the current, and the negative sign indicates that the induced emf opposes the change in current (this is known as Lenz's Law).

Inductance is an important property of electrical circuits and is used in a wide range of applications, including transformers, oscillators, and filters. It can also be used to measure the magnetic field strength of a magnetic material.

Sam: I think inductance has the units of Ohms

ChatGPT: No, the unit of inductance is the henry (H). The unit of resistance is the ohm (Ω). These are two different quantities that are related to the flow of electric current in a circuit.

Resistance is a measure of the ability of a conductor to oppose the flow of electric current. It is defined as the ratio of the voltage applied across a conductor to the current flowing through it. The formula for resistance is:

R = V/I

where R is the resistance, V is the voltage applied across the conductor, and I is the current flowing through it. The unit of resistance is the ohm (Ω).

Inductance, on the other hand, is a measure of the ability of an electrical circuit to store energy in the form of a magnetic field. It is defined as the ratio of the induced electromotive force (emf) in a conductor to the rate of change of the current that causes it. The formula for inductance is:

L = -induced emf/dI/dt

where L is the inductance, induced emf is the emf induced in the conductor, and dI/dt is the rate of change of the current. The unit of inductance is the henry (H).

I hope this helps clarify the difference between inductance and resistance. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Sam: So inductance has noting to do with Ohms Law?

ChatGPT: Ohm's Law is a fundamental relationship in electricity that describes the relationship between the current flowing through a conductor and the voltage applied across it. It states that the current flowing through a conductor is directly proportional to the voltage applied across it, and the resistance of the conductor. The formula for Ohm's Law is:

I = V/R

where I is the current flowing through the conductor, V is the voltage applied across it, and R is the resistance of the conductor.

Inductance is a different property of an electrical circuit that is related to the ability of the circuit to store energy in the form of a magnetic field. It is defined as the ratio of the induced electromotive force (emf) in a conductor to the rate of change of the current that causes it. The formula for inductance is:

L = -induced emf/dI/dt

where L is the inductance, induced emf is the emf induced in the conductor, and dI/dt is the rate of change of the current.

Inductance and resistance are related in that they both affect the flow of current in an electrical circuit, but they are not directly related to each other. Ohm's Law is a relationship between current, voltage, and resistance, while inductance is a measure of the ability of a circuit to store energy in the form of a magnetic field. I hope this helps clarify the difference between these two quantities. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Sam: But practical inductors have resistance

ChatGPT: Yes, that's correct. Practical inductors do have resistance, which is known as the "DC resistance" of the inductor. The DC resistance of an inductor is the resistance of the wire that makes up the inductor when a direct current (DC) is applied. This resistance can cause a voltage drop across the inductor and contribute to the overall resistance of an electrical circuit.

However, the main purpose of an inductor is to store energy in the form of a magnetic field in response to a changing current, rather than to oppose the flow of current through resistance. The inductance of an inductor is a measure of its ability to store energy in the form of a magnetic field, and it is not directly related to the resistance of the wire.

In addition to its DC resistance, an inductor can also have an "AC resistance" that depends on the frequency of the alternating current (AC) applied to it. This AC resistance is known as the "impedance" of the inductor and is a combination of its resistance and inductance. The impedance of an inductor is given by the formula:

Z = √(R^2 + (ωL)^2)

where Z is the impedance, R is the DC resistance, ω is the angular frequency of the AC signal, and L is the inductance.

I hope this helps clarify the difference between the resistance and inductance of an inductor. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Sam: So if the inductor has resistance what are the units of inductance?

ChatGPT: The unit of inductance is the henry (H). It is a measure of the ability of an electrical circuit to store energy in the form of a magnetic field in response to a changing current. Inductance is defined as the ratio of the induced electromotive force (emf) in a conductor to the rate of change of the current that causes it. The formula for inductance is:

L = -induced emf/dI/dt

where L is the inductance, induced emf is the emf induced in the conductor, and dI/dt is the rate of change of the current. The unit of inductance is the henry (H).

Even though an inductor has resistance, the resistance of an inductor does not affect the inductance. The resistance of an inductor is a measure of the opposition to the flow of electric current through the wire, while the inductance is a measure of the ability of the inductor to store energy in the form of a magnetic field. These are two separate properties of an inductor, and they are not related to each other.

I hope this helps clarify the units of inductance. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Sam: Thank you for the clarification

ChatGPT: You're welcome! I'm glad that I could help clarify the concept of inductance for you. If you have any more questions about this or any other topic in physics, please don't hesitate to ask. I'm here to help!

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Sam: What is the definition of inductance?

ChatGPT: Inductance is a measure of the ability of an electrical circuit to store energy in the form of a magnetic field in response to a changing current. It is defined as the ratio of the induced electromotive force (emf) in a conductor to the rate of change of the current that causes it. The formula for inductance is:

L = -induced emf/dI/dt

where L is the inductance, induced emf is the emf induced in the conductor, and dI/dt is the rate of change of the current. The unit of inductance is the henry (H).

Inductance is an important property of electrical circuits and is used in a wide range of applications, including transformers, oscillators, and filters. It can also be used to measure the magnetic field strength of a magnetic material.

I hope this helps clarify the definition of inductance. Let me know if you have any more questions.


Sam: I think this is wrong, I think inductance is defined as the number of turns times the flux and divided by the current

ChatGPT: You are correct that the formula for inductance can also be written as:

L = N * Φ / I

where L is the inductance, N is the number of turns in the inductor, Φ is the flux through the inductor, and I is the current flowing through the inductor. This formula shows that the inductance of an inductor is directly proportional to the number of turns and the flux, and inversely proportional to the current.

This formula is derived from the more general formula for inductance:

L = -induced emf/dI/dt

where L is the inductance, induced emf is the emf induced in the conductor, and dI/dt is the rate of change of the current.

I apologize for any confusion. Both of these formulas are correct and can be used to calculate the inductance of an inductor. I hope this helps clarify the concept of inductance for you. Let me know if you have any more questions.


Sam: I think that L = N * Φ / I is the fundamental definition of inductance and L = -induced emf/dI/dt is just derived from it and Faraday's Law

ChatGPT: You are correct that the formula for inductance, L = N * Φ / I, is a fundamental definition of inductance that is based on the relationship between the number of turns, flux, and current in an inductor. This formula shows that the inductance of an inductor is directly proportional to the number of turns and the flux, and inversely proportional to the current.

The formula L = -induced emf/dI/dt is a more general formula for inductance that is derived from Faraday's Law of Electromagnetic Induction. Faraday's Law states that the induced emf in a conductor is equal to the negative of the rate of change of the magnetic flux through the conductor. The formula for inductance can be derived from this relationship by rearranging the terms and expressing the induced emf in terms of the inductance:

induced emf = -dΦ/dt

L = -induced emf/dI/dt = dΦ/dt / dI/dt = Φ/I

This formula shows that the inductance of a conductor is equal to the ratio of the flux through the conductor to the current flowing through it. This is equivalent to the formula L = N * Φ / I, which you mentioned earlier.

I hope this helps clarify the relationship between these two formulas for inductance. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Florian H?mmerle

Product manager at OMICRON Lab

1 年

It cannot yet "learn" or remember new information given as it admits itself. So maybe it can "learn" in the context of a conversation but I guess it will always repeat it's own errors whenever you have a new conversation unless the training data improves.

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Ruben Iraheta

Senior Power Electronics Engineer at Anduril Industries

1 年

I've been playing with it as well, it apparently is stuck in a loop of incorrect answers. The problem started when I tried to get it to give me values for capacitance and inductance in an ideal series LC circuit that gives a certain impedance at a given frequency. It initially gave the equation for a parallel LC circuit (which it then fixed), but then when it tries to give the correct equation, its formatting has an issue with the square-root in the denominator and so it just consistently gives wrong answers (I think this is the case). Very interesting because it will always admit it's incorrect, then try to correct itself with the correct equation, but its formatting, I believe is what keeps it from providing the right answer.

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Sayandev Ghosh

Power Electronics, EV charger

1 年

Had it been released few years before, my PhD journey would have been bit smooth. :D After all it can surely provide a starting point, if not the accurate solution and that is huge.

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Robert Bolanos

Staff Engineer at Southwest Research Institute

1 年

Professor, can you ask it to design a magnetic? Would it be able to do that?

Marcelo S.

Professor in Electrical Engineering

1 年

ChatGPT as initially free to the public, with plans to monetize the service later. Be happy now and pay later!

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