Can someone refresh me again on why we don’t like the cruise industry?
Tony Carne
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A couple of different posts on here today (and my reaction to them) got me thinking about this again today. I’m a card carry member of the Adventure Travel side of the industry. The place where we do things right - small groups, low impact, community consultation, minimise leakage and so on. By default we’ve always looked on the cruise industry as the opposite.
However, when we travel to fragile areas like Antractica or the Galapagos, we put our travellers, en masse, on big boats. Of course we say our big boats are smaller than the cruise ship big boats - so we are all a-OK. But from this can we therefore say it isn’t the type of transport that is the problem?
Companies like Hurtigruten are building electric ships. So like the electric trains we champion as being the more responsible way to travel than flying, when electrifying big ships sorts itself out (likely decades before flying finds a solution) does that make cruising actually more responsible than even adventure travel?
Big groups overwhelming small communities is the next item on the naughty list. When running Australian product for Intrepid for a while I remember having a meeting with an awesome bunch of people from Easetern Arnhem Land in the north of Australia. They were in a fairly remote place but you could get there by road. To date their main forae into tourism was a twice annual visit from a “small ship” cruise company. All 250 passengers would descend on the coastal town for half a day. Yuck. We proposed our solution of small groups of maximum 12 people who would come every fortnight over the 6 month season and stay for a full 3 days to really immerse ourselves in their culture. Their reward would be about 60% of the two cruise ship visits. They told us no thanks. They didn’t want that type of frequent disruption but if we ever wanted to follow the “small ship” route and drop in very infrequently with large numbers - we are welcome back anytime. Was this just an outlier? If we were to adjust frequency in destinations does that markedly improve the cruise industry?
I recall more than a decade ago - the Intrepid co-Founder Darrell W. telling me about a book he was reading I think called, Devils onthe Deep Blue Sea. It was an expose on the cruise industry. I need to go back and read it (or re-read it). I do recall tales of garbage being dumped overboard etc but I think the days of social media have changed those practices by & large as it wasn’t the type of social media exposure cruise brands were looking for. If we can assume those issues are fixed then the next in line is leakage.
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The all encompassing nature of the business model of cruise to wring every last cent out of their captured passenger forsaking all others, including local suppliers is one I’ve lived through. Urban Adventures approached every cruise line and port operator (who had bought the exclusive rights from the cruise line to service their customers in contracts worth millions per destination) and found it was pretty much a closed shop. Even those wanting to be seen to be supporting local economies couldn’t be satisfied in the end to really endorse products outside the main money making machine where shareholder value trumps all else. So here is a problem not yet addressed BUT this is a simple business model and business values issue. Is a cruise operator dedidcated equally to profit and purpose actually better than a lot of other business models inluding adventure tourism? Follow-up question to that is that I know building boats isn't cheap, so can an ethical cruise operator be a sufficiently profitable company? I'll answer my own question by pointing again to Antartica and Galapagos.
In more offbeat coastal destinations you need somewhere for the travellers to sleep. The options therefore are camp, build infrastructure or stay off shore like on boat. Given the market for those willing to stay in a minimalist camp is tiny, then which of the other two is the worse evil long term? Most local communities dont have an individual who support the development so inevitable the money comes from outside and the money gets…………….. yep you guessed it, leaked. Alongside this the environment needs to be altered to cater for the new transient population. Fresh water supplies get tapped and so on.
I’m sure there is a tonne I’m missing here but is an ethical electric cruise line actually one of the best things that could happen in tourism? Living in Australia and the distances we need to cover to get anywhere, I can’t help think the flight problem will never have a reasonable solution. But what if we went back to the future and make sea the default way to exit and enter on electric powered ships?
I acknowledge this doesn’t touch on the problems for places like Venice & Amsterdam etc where the cruise influx is just all downside really. An ethical cruise line wouldn’t go there I’d imagine so that is my solution to those (pre-empted) comments but I do absolutely acknowledge those issues.
Thoughts?
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10 个月I think it's not just about numbers. The "mentality" of small expedition cruises (Galapagos/Antarctica) and their travellers are very different from large cruises. Icon of the Seas, for example, set off fireworks at its launch this week. However, I consider small a 50-passenger cruise (not 250). I see the "small" cruise companies evolving towards practices that benefit communities. Are they completely responsible? Far from it. But when we embark on an expedition boat in the Galapagos we're definitely more aware of the world's environmental issues than when we board a large regular cruise. At least we should be...
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10 个月As a former anti-cruiser who has now been on three transatlantic a and recently much more exposed to this cruise world than before, your question is one I have pondered. Like Anula, I wonder sometimes why it’s any worse than the other destruction our extreme consumerism and waste causes the Earth. I never wanted to cruise because it didn’t seem adventurous enough, independent enough or authentic enough. Well, here’s what I’ve found from my experiences: I first decided to do a cruise because I was tired of every other flight route I’d taken between Morocco and LA. The 14 day all-inclusive transatlantic from the Canary Islands to Panama was just $250 per person. That’s right. So I went for it. The ship was nothing special but the food and service were great and I was 3-months pregnant as well as with a 2.5-year old. Most of the people on the ship were more adventurous travelers and the ship was only about half full. We enjoyed making new friends and for the most bang for our buck by having very few ports (those ultimately cost more and you’ve already paid for food and activities). I liked the slower transition from one place to another and the time change occurring every night an hour at a time.
I'm not keen on the sitting on the fence cop-out of 'I've not seen the data'. There's tons of data out there, and I've yet to see anything ever which gives it a positive vote on any triple bottom line aspect - other than if you're a fat cat shareholder looking at your wallet. I take the point about the big cruise liners being different to small, especially fuel, but at what size is the line drawn, and do small ones really need to go into the fragile environments they do? They may not be so negative, but what do they actually contribute? And isn't promoting them giving a kind of green light to the whole industry, which is overwhelmingly negative... Happy to be proven wrong and reassess my position, but haven't ever seen anything yet that does so. One of my most memorable and fascinating evenings in RT ever was with a cruise whistleblower... eyeopening!
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10 个月For me the thought of being kept captivated in an artificial environment isn't appealing. Let me motorcycle round the world any day instead.