THE BEST STRATEGY IS TO CONTROL YOUR BUSINESS
Jason Frazier
Helping the Mortgage Industry Escape the Status Quo | Award Winning Mortgage Marketer | Chief Growth Officer | Executive Coach & Strategist | Founder Broker CMO
Back in October, I was lucky enough to have talked, interviewed, connected, and spoke in front of thousands of professionals in real estate and mortgage. My job allows me a unique opportunity to hear from all of those that serve the industry and those that directly serve the end consumer. After 19 days of travel and events, three things are more apparent to me more than ever:
- Mortgage professionals (at large) are too damn DEPENDENT on others
- The mortgage industry NEEDS to take control of their business development
- We MUST make getting to the consumer first an absolute priority
This shouldn't be news to most, if not all, of you. I have been talking about getting to the consumer first for months, pretty much since Gary Vaynerchuk's Agent 2021 back in January of this year, and will continue to pound that message home. Excitingly enough, Gary Vaynerchuk himself validated everything I have been speaking about last at the AIME Fuse conference.
So, where am I going with this?
Before I answer that, let me first say that this article will 100% rub some people the wrong way along with some very good friends of mine who are on the other side of my opinion. But at the end of the day one of the core principals of my business is to champion the local mortgage experts and what is best for their business. I will ALWAYS stay true to that.
Recently I had the pleasure of listening to Russ Smith, who is the EVP of National Production/COO at Caliber Home Loans, as he addressed a group of CHL producers. I won't go into the details of the whole talk (which was awesome), but his opening line is what stayed with me. Russ asked, “what you would all do if Realtors and Builders went away tomorrow? Would you be able to get business?”
Here is the punchline. The answer is a resounding NO for a large amount of MLOs in the industry.
I am sure some of you will say well I could always buy leads and do credit triggers and blah blah blah, but the point was and IS can you source your own business? If you can't or at least if you can't source a majority of it, that means you are dependent on someone else to grow your business. And this is a significant problem in the mortgage industry.
This isn't a secret to anyone, and in fact, there are numerous successful businesses built around the fact that MLOs cannot or will not source their own business. These are multimillion-dollar businesses that are counting on you, the MLO, you the mortgage lender, not to be able to get your own deals. They are counting on you not to do “direct to consumer marketing.”
We all know the players. You sign up for one of their systems, which is 100% focused on giving an agent something of value for little to no cost while you pick up the tab. They talk about “lead sharing” and helping agents grow their business. But in actuality, you are funding these vendors to grow THEIR business by helping the agent. HOPEFULLY, you are getting referrals they say you will get, on the back end. From the feedback I am seeing, this isn't a high percentage play.
I am not saying you can't get ROI, and I am not saying you won't get deals. But I am saying that this model keeps you, the mortgage professional, at second position when you really should be in the first position. I said this recently at event and I heard a few "Amens" coming from the crowd.
Want to go bigger? Let's look at MSAs and Zillow lead share. Over the last month I heard story after story of agents dumping the MLO partners because they stopped co-paying for Zillow leads. I love how you were the "best MLO out there"…until you stopped co-paying for leads. And stop calling it co-marketing for crap sake, because it isn't and deal with it. If you are in mortgage, then Zillow is your competitor plain and simple. No debate, no argument. Every dollar you put in their pocket is a dollar spent trying to put your model out of business. Zillow has stated this themselves so this isn't just a tinfoil hat conspiracy.
I could go on and on about the specific “solutions,” but I want to ask you this. What if the industry as a whole decided to put their marketing spend towards building a brand and getting to the consumer first? What if they invested in solutions that attracted consumers so lenders/MLOs could generate their own leads? What if we invested in ways to source our own business? Would that put us in a stronger position?
In the internet era that we are living in, there are no gatekeepers. We can market to the consumer first. We can do the same type of attraction marketing that agents do to get leads. We can do anything and everything to source our own business. We need to be willing to do it at scale and have the drive to take control of our destiny.
I am not saying to not work with agents, but what I am saying let's change referral source to partner source. Let's indeed be in the game 50/50, where you the MLO are referring business to the best, and agents, in turn, are referring business to the best. True co-marketing and actual collective business growth. This is what the consumer expects and deserves. They trust us to refer them based on expertise, not based on who decided to pay the most.
In mortgage, we are at a crossroads, and when it comes down to it, you cannot build a mansion on rented land. You cannot create a successful LONG-TERM business being utterly dependent on someone else. This is why I will NOT be working with or helping any companies that are focused on making MLOs dependent on real estate agents. I need to practice what I preach, and that is helping MLOs get to the consumer first and to not be dependent on agents or anyone else for that matter.
President, CFO and Loan Adviser
5 年People should really take note to what Jason is saying. ?After working in the mortgage broker field, I switched to a mortgage banker (correspondence lender). ?It was frustrating as I have always dedicated myself to working for the client and RE-investing into my clients, first in Real Estate sales in which I was known for volume but more importantly almost zero advertising as my clients did it for me. The frustration comes from the incredibly horrible business plans these lenders have... it seems all they want is MLO’s to invest in CO-marketing with Realtors. Month after months I was a top performer and yet, always pounded on for NOT marketing to more than a 4-5 “trusted” Realtors. ?I would speak up (known for that) in branch meetings but also loud and clear in regional meetings. ?You would think my direct manager would have warned them not to pick me to answer the good old question... Patrick, tell us how do you do so many Loans and tell us the amount of Realtors you work with? I would answer much what Jason is saying here and then the manager, regional manager would quickly say “thank you, Patrick, what a unique market you must have”. Complete B.S. and it really ticked me off. ?I will NEVER depend on Realtors, Zillow or for that matter any lead source. ?For Realtors, I work with a few that I know will always do the right thing for the client and they know that is how I am. ?For lead source, what a joke in most cases. I don’t want to say all cases as maybe there is one or two out there that work out (not that I’m aware of). Can you imagine if you took the money you pay Zillow or any of the lead gen companies and put it into YOURSELF!: 1. Bring your technology up to or surpass those around you. 2. Bring your security protecting you and your clients information to a level above others. 3. INVEST in your client base... I will say, nothing is better than the broker world in my opinion. ?I do have HUGE issues with many mortgage brokers out there as yes, they have a lack of secure emails, VPN, secure methods for clients to upload and the broker to securely store documents. ?I will say... NOT my company. Invest in my clients! ?This means in their information being secure and encrypted to HMDA levels, no emailing of documents, ETC. Can go on forever but listen to Jason Frazier... I’ll add something... I have become my clients real estate HUB. ?If they want to list or buy, I will meet with them and one of the Realtors I trust and know they will do what’s best for the client.. NO catch, NO fee! If they need a painter, carpet, flooring, just about anything, I will give them a list of people I have trust with or know of (yes, I give a little disclaimer to protect me and them to investigate, etc.). If the need just about anything related to housing, I am there to help. What is Patrick Lewis know for? - Well, I’m known for finding answers. - Really known to never give up on any client as yes, some take time to get to the level needed for a mortgage, but I don’t just send them off to a credit fix company. -?I’m know for finding the answer or finding somebody that can help them. Again, invest in your clients. - Knowledge of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guidelines as I don’t rely on lender sources provided under their site as that’s just their rules, overlays, etc. GO JASON! Huge fan
Real Estate & Mortgage Broker
5 年In over 20 years in the industry I have never depended on anybody but myself to put food on my table.