American Grammar Checkup: Are You Practicing Commasutra?

American Grammar Checkup: Are You Practicing Commasutra?

For whatever reason, many folks never learned the simple trick of knowing when and why to use a comma between a name and a title (or an occupation).

Here's what I see on a daily basis in articles I read:

          Interior Designer, Mary Smith, will answer all our questions.
          CEO, Jess Brown, talked about the restructuring of the company.
          Senior Vice President and Comptroller, Maria Lopez, visited us today.

And I could show you thousands more, but three are enough to show you what is WRONG. Yes, wrong.

Why?  Because you cannot remove the name and still have a sentence as it is written. No, you can't. It just doesn't work. You cannot say "Interior Designer will answer all our questions," not in English, anyway. The name is necessary in each of the examples, which means the commas have to be removed. (For more on commas with nonessential/essential information, click here.)

1.  When a title comes before a name

When a title comes BEFORE a name, never use a comma between the title and the name.

Why? How would you know it's a title?

Here's the trick: Substitute "Mr." or "Ms." for the title. Would you ever write "Mr., John Smith will discuss the issue today"? Would you ever write (or say) "Mr. will discuss the issue today"? No. The title and the name that follow are one unit and cannot be separated by a comma.

  • Entrepreneur Bill Gates has . . .  
  • Entrepreneur and Philanthropist Bill Gates has . . . 
  • Entrepreneur, Philanthropist, and Microsoft CEO Bill Gates has . . . 

How can you be sure in the above examples? Remove the name Bill Gates. Does each sentence still work? No. Without the name, the sentence falls apart. Therefore, the name is essential for sentence clarity.


2.  When the occupation comes first

When an occupation comes before a name, always enclose the name with two commas (or parentheses).

Sometimes what comes in front of the name is an occupation, not a title. And if that's true, we DO use commas -- two of them -- around the name that follows.

How can you tell if it's an occupation or a title? A title identifies who the person is. An occupation identifies what the person does, and it will have some descriptive word in front of it like "a," "an," "the" or a phrase like "one of our" or "our best."

  • Title:  Doctor Smith will see you now.
    OccupationThe doctor, John Smith, will see you now.
    Occupation:  The doctor (John Smith) will see you now.
    Occupation:  The doctor will see you now.
  • Title:  Interior Designer Susan Smith loves the color red!
    OccupationMy interior designer, Susan Smith, loves the color red!
    Occupation:  My interior designer (Susan Smith) really loves the color red! 
    Occupation:  My interior designer really loves the color red!

  • Title:  Senior Vice President of Marketing Joan Smith is in her office.
    Occupation:  Our Senior Vice President of Marketing, Joan Smith, is in her office.
    Occupation: Our Senior Vice President of Marketing (Joan Smith) is in her office.
    Occupation:  Our Senior Vice President of Marketing is in her office.
  • Title: CEO Sharon Levy will attend the conference.
    OccupationOur company's CEO, Sharon Levy, will attend the conference.
    Occupation:  Our company's CEO (Sharon Levy) will attend the conference.
    Occupation:  Our company's CEO will attend the conference.  

    Notice that removing the names when the occupation comes first does not change the basic intent of each sentence. Again, for more information, click here.                   

3.  When the name comes first

When the name comes first, always use two commas or parentheses to surround the occupation or the title that follows.
  • Susan Rooks, the Grammar Goddess, helps us to learn American grammar rules.
  • Susan Rooks helps us to learn American grammar rules.
  • John White, CMO at SMS | Brand Ambassador at beBee, writes     wonderful and helpful blog posts!
  • John White writes wonderful and helpful blog posts!
  • Sarah ElkinsCustomer Service Maven, Storyteller, and Professional Musician, will be speaking today at the Helena Chamber of Commerce. 
  • Sarah Elkins will be speaking today at the Helena Chamber of Commerce.

 

This idea of essential and nonessential information in a sentence makes many writers crazy. Again, check out my earlier posts using commas, especially the one on essential / nonessential information, that might help you. 

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This is terrific, Susan. I've been editing and ghosting books for 25 years for publishers and authors. You make your points so clearly and effectively that I just have to pass this along. Thanks!

Jacques Gaudreault

Senior Tech at Oceaneering International / OMW

8 年

Very interesting stuff....makes me feel like I need to go back to school.... somehow lately I have read so much on grammar which I do not remember ever talking about it in school.... of course it was such a long time ago I could just have forgotten. It is good to re-learn or refresh these things. As bad as I sometimes feel that I am, I am amazed at the errors I see around me in billboards, restaurant signs, pamphlets, and of of course internet text. Thanks and keep up the good work.

Tanya Chahal

Gallery Assistant / Retail Specialist

8 年

I feel like I am the grammar police these days. So many signs and publications have misspelled words. People don't use spell check! I just did!

Mel White

Classic Exhibits Inc. | Custom Exhibits ? Rental Displays ? Portable/Modular ? Corporate Environments

8 年

Lin -- Use two spaces if you are still typing on a typewriter. However, in any electronic form, only one space.

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