Although this interview has been 'overly' edited to remove every second of silence and me pausing for breath - it's VERY good!!!
Phil Cracknell
FCIIS, FBCS, CISSP - Award-winning fractional CISO, International Conference Speaker, Cyber Breach Response Facilitator for IP-Performance, Head of Cyber Security Development for the IASME Consortium
https://www.healthcareinfosecurity.com/interviews/metrics-project-may-help-cisos-measure-effectiveness-better-i-3268