How big of an issue is ageism in the tech community?

Silicon Valley has been the subject of many stories about ageism, where one worker stated:

“I don’t think I would have been able to get this CEO job if I hadn’t shaved my head,” says Adams, who has founded eight venture-backed companies. . .Adams has supplemented his makeover by trading in his button-down shirts for T-shirts, making sure he owns the latest gadgets, and getting an eyelid lift."

In 2010, TechCrunch reported that UC Berkeley professors analyzed BLS data for the semiconductor industry and found that after 50, the mean salary of engineers was lower—by 17% for those with bachelors degrees, and by 14% for those with masters degrees and PhDs—than the salary of those younger than 50. Ouch.

I’ve never recruited in Silicon Valley. I have been exposed to multiple startups in Seattle and SF, though, and the startup dev culture is often very young. (Been to SF lately? If you're over 35, you feel very, very old.)

It makes sense in certain practical ways: In a market where the average tech salary is now $92,290, a startup may not have the dollars to hire a lot of experienced mid-career devs. They want people who are hungry to learn, are excited to build something new (and hopefully profit from its success down the road), and who will trade personal life for a job that requires working 12+ hours a day 6-7 days a week to build, test, and launch that world-changing, disruptive new mobile app or service. It can also give them a slice of that pre-IPO equity cake that (rarely, but occasionally) pays off big later.

But it’s a problem if a mid-20’s CEO only wants to hire people who look and act like they do and they don’t have anyone counseling them as to why that’s not only a bad idea from a business perspective, but it’s also illegal.

As a recruiter who has hired for software dev/test/PM positions, age isn't a factor for me. As long as they have the right skills/experience, there aren't any red flags in the interview process, and their comp expectations are in alignment with what we can pay it matters not if they are 25 or 55. I've not run into overt ageism while working with any of my tech hiring teams. If anything they often start out wanting someone more senior/specialized than, after I qualify them, we agree they likely need.

I’m curious to know whether people reading this have experienced overt ageism in the tech community–either inside Silicon Valley or in places like Seattle.

  • What have your experiences been either as a hiring manager or candidate?
  • Have you encountered it yourself?
  • If yes, where were you (geographically–obviously I’m not asking anyone to give up company names)? What did you do about it?
gerry lowry

Director at cybernetic sapiens inc.

9 年

Perhaps you should not have posted this article on Halloween when many of today's programmers were out Trick'r Treating. 6 months later and i'm only the first to comment; could it be that those with jobs just don't care? this week i turned 68; i never thought about ageism when in my early 20s i was one of the first programmers outside of IBM to program in PL/I; i just did not see this coming. in 1995 when i was on contract to Microsoft Canada PSS, at almost 50, my contract was not renewed even though i was able to support more products than most of my peers; coincidentally, i was the second oldest person on their staff.

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