Healthcare in Ukraine: Interview With a Citizen
Mary Pat Whaley, FACMPE, CPC
Medical Practice Consultant, Manage My Practice LLC
My new sister-in-law grew up in Siberia and moved to Ukraine when she was 16. She became a nurse, married, had children, divorced, had grandchildren, met my brother, fell in love with him and his mission and they married last year. On her first trip to the United States, she finds things different and puzzling. While shopping for a dress, my mother told her that she could always return it if it didn't fit and my sister-in-law looked at her strangely. In Ukraine, you cannot return things.
I knew Sveta had been very ill right before her trip to the United States, so I asked her about healthcare in Ukraine. She described the recent experience in her newly-acquired English with my brother translating some words here and there.
Mary Pat: Tell me about being so sick a few weeks ago.
Sveta: I was sick for 5 days and my friend came and said she would call the ambulance. The ambulance is for people who are too sick to walk to the doctor or to take a taxi.
Mary Pat: What happened when the ambulance came - did they take you to the hospital?
Sveta: No, the ambulance does not take you to the hospital, the doctor and his assistant come on the ambulance and he examines you and tells you what to do to get better. The ambulance doctor only works on the ambulance.
Mary Pat: What did he tell you to do?
Sveta: He was very kind, many ambulance doctors are rough. It did not cost anything. He gave me a prescription for some pills, and also a prescription for medication and syringes that I had to buy at the pharmacy and take to the polyclinic for injections.
Mary Pat: What is the polyclinic?
Sveta: It is where the government physicians work.
Mary Pat: What is going to the polyclinic like?
Sveta: Going to the doctor you wait in line but people are very good about keeping places in line. It can be a 3 hour wait for the doctor. There are always a lot of people in line that are sick and coughing and it is a very negative experience.
Mary Pat: Are there any physicians who do not work for the government?
Sveta: The intersana is where you go for the independent doctors. They have better doctors because they can pay more money. Government doctors make about $300 per month.
Mary Pat: How does Ukraine pay for healthcare for its citizens?
Sveta: We pay 40% of our paycheck for retirement and healthcare benefits and there is a 20% tax on purchases.
Mary Pat: Do you also have to pay something when you go to the doctor or to the hospital?
Sveta: Going to the doctor is free, but you must pay money if you go to the hospital. The food is very bad in the hospital, so family members bring good food to the patient. Money must be paid for medications and for the doctor to do operations. Most physicians will not do surgery until the money is paid to them for a surgery. It is not unusual for physicians not to start an operation until the family can pay the surgeon's fee, and sometimes the patient dies while waiting for the money to be paid.
Mary Pat: Are the hospitals well-equipped?
Sveta: Everything in the hospital is very old and there is no modern equipment.
Sveta also told me a story about her son's stay in the hospital when he was little. Her son, Misha, had been in the hospital for a week. Physicians in the hospital kept their own cabinets of medication that they sold to patients. Sveta purchased very expensive medicines from the hospital physician, but Misha was not getting better. Sveta had made sure to to also give gifts to the nurses and physicians for "good attention" for her little boy. One nurse took her aside and told Sveta that if she wanted Misha to get better, she had to take him to a different hospital. Sveta had to get the first doctor to give her a document to take to the new doctor, which he begrudgingly did, so she was able to move Misha to the new hospital and he soon recovered, with the assistance of some very inexpensive medication!
Healthcare in Post-Soviet Ukraine
"Ukraine became independent from the USSR in 1991. Post-Soviet Ukraine underwent a painful process of economic restructuring that was accompanied by social instability and drastically reduced living standards for large parts of the population, especially pensioners, disabled people and other vulnerable groups, leading to further worsening of population health. This increased need for health care took place against the background of reduced ability of the health care system to respond adequately.
The general economic downturn has also had an impact on the resources available for health care at a time when the costs of running the system have increased substantially. In Soviet times, costs for material and medical supplies and basic services such as electricity, heating and others were fixed and thus allowed the state to maintain the extensive network of facilities. Also, running costs of hospitals were comparatively low. The costs of pharmaceuticals were also relatively low, as the limited range available from production in the USSR or in other socialist countries was subsidized. The transition to a market economy has resulted in soaring prices of pharmaceuticals as well as basic services such as energy, thereby further complicating the already difficult economic situation in the health care sector. Against this background, maintaining the complex, inefficient public health care system with its unbalanced structure of services in Ukraine has resulted in a highly unequal health care system of low quality.
Out-of-pocket payments now constitute a major source of revenue for the health care system in Ukraine. These payments can be divided into several categories: official user fees charged by governmental health facilities for listed services; official “voluntary” contributions and donations; official payments for outpatient drugs; semi-official charges for consumable supplies such as drugs for inpatient treatment, agents, medical devices; informal user fees or under-the-table payments to providers; private provider charges for goods and services; and direct payments for non-prescription drugs and medical devices sold by pharmacies. The full extent of out-of-pocket payments is difficult to evaluate due to the scarcity of data."
From the report "Health Care Systems in Transition" published in 2004, Written by Valeria Lekhan, Volodomyr Rudiy, and Ellen Nolte
NOTE: My brother Mark and sister-in-law Sveta are missionaries in Ukraine and make it possible for disabled and orphaned children to receive massage therapy and other good and healthy things that children need. Their sponsor is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization called Mission Ukraine Children's Hope (MUCH.)
Mary Pat Whaley is a consultant who blogs at Manage My Practice.
Practitioner, Integrated medicine; and, Research in Unconventional Medicine, Spirituality, Philosophy, Metaphysics and
11 年Dear Mary,men must adjust with whatever facilities remain available.It is because; any society or Nation is rooted among men. It is primary duty of men to improve the social situation ,if not proper. Thank you for your writing as- only comparative study can help us to decide our duties to be done towards the human society.
Healthcare Administration, Revenue Cycle Management, Patient Advocate, Performance Improvement
11 年Dear Mary. I follow your postings - always great learning experience. I am from Ukraine and Sveta is accurate on many accounts. It also very much depends what place you come from. It something we grow up with. One of the great things I remember from 20 years ago is having personal doctor who would come and visit you at home if you are too sick to go to clinic. She became part of our family as treated three generations. All this is nice and sweet if all it is is fever and nose running. Once someone would get really sick, it's hard to receive good care. I have been studying healthcare here and in many other countries and we are fortunate to have options. It's complicated and expensive , but I am grateful, my parents can live much longer and see their grand kids growing. In Ukraine my dad would never survive heart attack with ambulance coming an hour later. Thank you for sharing your always great ideas and experience . Will never forget article about your mom. Marina
Medical Practice Consultant, Manage My Practice LLC
11 年Irina, I just checked with my sister-in-law and she told me that I did get the pay rate wrong, so I have corrected it. It is not $50 per month, it is $300 per month. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Medical Practice Consultant, Manage My Practice LLC
11 年Irina, I did not write this article to talk poorly about Ukraine, nor did I state that healthcare in the US is wonderful. As someone who writes daily about healthcare, I am well-aware of the problems in the American healthcare system. Healthcare is problematic in most countries, but we can learn from each other. I am glad you had good experiences in Ukraine with healthcare, but I wish you would have read the entire article to understand the challenges in light of Ukraine's independence.