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Vicky Lane, founder of the Book Project and outstanding Australian businesswoman. And she joins us now. Welcome to the show. Is there? Thank you for the country. Is there a perfect country, Juke? Have you found one? Ohh I'd. Well, no, I don't think there's a perfect one, but given the global environment right now, I think Australia and New Zealand are looking pretty good. You will you say that, Jack, but off your eastern coast? You've got a whole series of armed individuals who are probably more armed than I don't know you've ever seen before. The Chinese going a bit of a live firing. This has caused a bit of over here. I mean, we've talked about it, but I have to say we're not too worried about it cause it's not really happening off our coast, it's happening off yours. What's, what's the thoughts, what's been the reaction in Australia? Um, I, I think a couple of things, I think. Sort of people who are aware about it are Arabic. Kind of surprised. Not shocked, but surprised. And, and, and typically for Australia, the, the focus is now focused on Albanese, who's managed to tangle himself up in a war of words as to when he knew about it and what the ADF, the Australian Defence Force knew about it. And when it it, it, it appears that a, an alert virgin pilot actually saw what was going on and, and contacted the Defence Force. And so our own Defence Force kind of didn't even know about it. Select commercial flight pilot alerted them and then so now the debates come around Albanese when he knew what he did, what he didn't do. So it's, you know, so the the fact of it happening, I think has been again lost in the the political spin, sadly. And, and, and then just to put another spanner in the wheel, a a practice torpedo washed up on a Gold Coast beach a couple of days ago. So obviously our Defence Force were doing some practicing somewhere and, and lost it, lost a, a play torpedo. Yeah, Now tell me about though. Is it important to know when the Prime Minister knew? I, I have to be honest with you. If three naval ships from the China and potentially now we know that well there, there is a suspicion there might be a submarine as well came down and sailed along the East Coast and into your in or around your exclusive economic zone in Australia. You would expect, would you, not the Australians to know. And then you'd be following them and shadowing them because, well, frankly, that's what you do, isn't it? Yes, I think you know, I certainly knew that they were there because we were getting daily updates, you know that they were off the coast of up Newcastle and then the next we heard they were down off Eden which is at South Coast. And then they kind of played around an international waters. And I think the issue around the international waters thing was that they were doing live fire drills whereas prior to that they were just. Cruising up and down the coast perhaps looking for a spot to stop, I don't know. But the but the issue was around the live fire drills over commercial airspace, which is pretty serious one way or the other and the lack of being informed prior to that. Apparently international protocol is if you're an international waters and you're going to undertake live fire exercises, you inform the countries thereby what you're doing so they can divert. I'm gonna show aircraft. I was, which is yes, which is what Winston Peters, our Foreign Affairs Minister and yours has been saying. I see on the periphery of a couple of bilaterals with Chinese counterparts over the last we were listen, one of the things context I didn't get from the New Zealand media though on this one, I don't know, it might be in Australia. Is that really in many ways. This is China reacting to. Australia, the US, Canada, the Netherlands, Philippines. Not so much New Zealand. Who have been challenging China over the South China Sea. So in other words. Over freedom to navigation and that China claims a good chunk of the South China Seas as its own. Those countries I've just mentioned don't, including Australia. They've sailed ships up there to sort of reassert that this is international water, not Chinese water, and that this is a bit of a *** for tat. Is is that also being explained in Australia? Yes. And and the way it doesn't need to be explained because that's been the case for for some time now. So that's absolutely correct and an ongoing issue and I actually think it might have more to to relate to the fact that. Trump's buddying up with Putin. So, so Chinas just letting everybody know that, you know, it's not forgetting about Taiwan. And if you think that China's forgot about that or isn't active, guess what? We, we can park off your coast and umm, and so I think it's, I think it's a bit, a bit of an escalation, not a major one. I think it's just saying we're not going anywhere and you want to contest with us, fine, we'll come. And party and you're part of the world. Yeah, well, on February 6-7 of this month. The US Navy, the Royal Australian Navy and the Royal Navy from Britain joined together on a an exercise combined operations in the South China Sea. So I'm, yeah, I you just have to see this is all part of the quid pro quo, but it's not been well described or I have to say in the New Zealand media at all that one would see that as happening. I also heard the Sydney Morning Herald last night. God, I don't, I don't often do this, but I'm alone. I'm home alone this weekend. Jeff's wife's gone off to. But baby shower, the kids have all left home, which I explained to you last week. So I'm home alone. I'm desperate for entertainment. Well, you've got the cat, haven't you? Ohh. And the dog. Yeah. I Yeah. But yeah, there's only so much conversation you can have with them before it does tend to get a bit repetitive. I have to say, Jack, But as you probably know with your kit. But no. So last night I listened to a Sydney Morning Herald. Podcast to do with this particular issue and I think the. Chief political reporter or the strategy reporter for the Sydney Morning Herald. Was making the point that really Australia is stuffed? Because although it might like to complain about these sort of activities in the future, it is so thoroughly dependent and its economy so completely interwoven with that of the Chinese. That he really does question how much independence News Australia has strategically now. That was his view. What's yours? I I tend to agree with him. I mean our, our, the bulk of our resources, which underpins the economy, go to China. Which is why there's always this delicate dance with the Chinese. Um, because, you know, our standard of living largely depends on it. Um, so, you know, several years ago under the last coalition government, there was a, you know, a deep freeze because the, the last government kind of stood up to the Chinese a bit and they said, right, well, we're not going to import any wine. We're going to cut down our coal and this and, and you can just sit there and, you know, cop it until we're ready to, you know, meet exports, the lot. So it has taken the current Labour government. 3 or 4, three years or so to actually saw that relationship and it is vital to Australia. So the commentator, I think it's pretty bang on. It's a very uncomfortable truth but it is what it is. Well, actually this sort of segues into the next issue, because this is sort of an issue related to the election. Well, and we're sort of in the phony war, aren't we, at the moment because the election date, what hasn't been announced yet. Not yet. Not so. And and so so you know, Labor Albanese is going around the country throwing billions of dollars around because he's still in government, because as soon as he calls the election, he can't do that. But basically we're in, we're in pre election mode, which is ridiculous. The the thinking now is that he'll call in the next week or so and we'll have it after the WA election, which is I think the 8th of March. So the the date is firming for around about the 12th of April. But you know, really just give us all a break and call it. Let's get on with it. It's because you've raised the issue that you think that the Australian Labor Party and Albanese might be vote stacking and you've mentioned a mess citizenship ceremony in Sydney's West where 12,000 people, which is a huge number apparently have been granted Australian citizenship. Is there some suggestion that they have been unfairly favoured or that they vote Labour or, or what, Judge Judy? Um, well, western Sydney, the area where probably the bulk of those people are living or, you know, close to living a labour seats that Labour desperately wants to hold. And, and so I think there's. Not just my inclination, but I think it's. Pretty pretty obvious. Why would you be rushing through the citizenship of 12,000 people in Western Sydney which are Labour seats? And, and so you've got to be a citizen of Australia, not a resident to vote, do you? Correct, correct. Which is actually one of the reasons, which is one of the reasons many decades ago now, I became a citizen because, you know, I've been here for about 10 years and you know, I was employing people and paying the taxes and I couldn't vote, couldn't vote in New Zealand because it's different than New Zealand where you only got to be a resident. Yeah, well, and so my issue at the top back then was that I'd been out of New Zealand too long to vote in New Zealand and I couldn't vote here either. And being the political person that I was, that was really annoyed me. So I I became an Australian citizen but did not renounce my New Zealand citizenship. So I've got both. Joint citizen and still meet their standards for voting. OK, that's fair enough. Correct.