Did HubSpot really lose 80% of its organic traffic? Let me give you the real story and what you can learn from it. 1. Influential marketing grows in importance: We started to invest in influential channels 4 years ago; we believed brands needed to win here. We bought theHustle, and launched a podcast network, creator program, and numerous YouTube channels. Today, those channels generate demand equivalent to our blogs and are growing faster. (More info in full MATG podcast episode out today) 2. Fit needs to be a critical part of your SEO strategy: We never chased vanity metrics like traffic. We measure all channels based on ROI and look at LTV:CAC. We've pruned over 30k blog pages for content that doesn't convert. AI means all brands can do informational content at scale. Google wants more relevance. We saw this in traffic we lost. We needed to move faster here. We've integrated a custom fit model across all marketing efforts, including content. (More info in full MATG podcast episode out today) 3. AI is coming for the blue links: We've seen a growth in no-click searches because of AI. That, paired with point 2, e.g., needing to stay much more focused on the core audience, will mean organic traffic is harder to scale for B2B companies. (More info in full MATG podcast episode out today) 4. Optimizing for AI search will be a thing; we've seen huge jumps in views for our YouTube videos that are surfaced in ChatGPT search. (More info in full MATG podcast episode out today) 5. A couple of other points made in the episode - the numbers shared aren't accurate (trend is, numbers aren't), we still get a lot of organic traffic and it continues to grow for transactional keywords. Here's the TL;DR Influence + Fit + AI have been key themes of our MATG podcast over the past 2 years. We continue to see these grow in importance and we continue to make investments here. The full podcast is out today with a complete breakdown of these. I hope people find it helpful.?
Hey! I was saying a lot of this when discussing with others. Also... Is there a podcast episode coming out about this today? ?? Thank you for saying something! You guys are killing it.
Hope you've been enjoying everyone and their dog becoming an SEO expert to tell you and the team how you should be doing things correctly ?? ??
Super cool that you and Kipp Bodnar tackled this head on and cheering for you guys always. Most of the people criticizing the loudest have never built an engine like your team has, and I have no doubt the next chapter for HubSpot content will be epic.
thanks for the detailed breakdown - where can we watch / listen to the podcast?
Semi reductionist take but at some level, you guys effectively became a kickass media company and Google decided it prefers mediocre software & brand blogs to media companies in a lot of the recent core updates. But as you indirectly say..this is, for better or worse, the beginning of the internet's entropy era. The 2010's SEO arb game ain't it in the age of LLMs More here: https://zeroclicks.beehiiv.com/p/zero-clicks-21-the-internet-s-entropy-era
This sounds a bit contradictory - you have published 30K blog posts while at the same time you are saying that you are not chasing vanity metrics like traffic and then because of AI informational content + fit , you prune those 30K blog posts? Then why have you published those 30k blog posts in the first place? No offense, but this seems like a site reputation abuse.
Love this response because it solves for an original sin in marketing that was massively apparent in the initial sound and fury over that infamous graph: the goal of isn't the "success" of a single channel. First of all, the goals of that channel might change (or, to the point of this post, might never have been what we're assuming they were, i.e. traffic), so looking at a single metric is less than optimal. Secondly, if you're just optimizing for channel success (i.e. the way you've always done it) you're way more likely to bypass new opportunities that will better accelerate overall business outcomes. It sounds like HubSpot has a strong grasp on what they're building for the way its customers find information now, but this whole tempest in a teapot and the commentary around it exposed some of this old school/status quo thinking that is endemic to so many different parts of marketing, from team structures to budget processes to reporting and measurement.
I’ve been optimizing AI models for search for a while now and I’ve seen my site traffic from perplexity and ChatGPT rising. Plus I signed two new clients who found me by asking. ChatGPT “is there anyone in Atlanta who trains people on how to use AI?” It’s not just becoming a thing. It’s already here! I call is AISO: AI Search Optimization. Looking forward to checking out your podcast.
HubSpot’s share price increased by 60% in the last 6 months that’s a little more impactful than people not reading blogs. People no longer need to scroll through search engines they just read the AI response at the top. SEO is ??
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1 个月Kieran Flanagan I am in absolute agreement about vanity metrics like traffic as it means nothing unless you are generating relevant traffic that converts and is aligned to your ICP. However I disagree about the blue links going away and being replaced by AI search. IMO educational focussed search aka I want to know will definitely move towards AI searches, but transactional searches will still remain with Google, unless we see more disruption in the AI search space. So in essence B2B marketers will need to still optimize both for different stages of the buying cycle. The B2C market share I feel will still remain with Google, for the time being. 2025 may yet see a lot of disruption in the AI search space. Deepseek may just be a tip of the iceberg.